Need a new high gain amp and would love to hear some opinions

dvanburen

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Ok. Its amp time. Im re-evaluating my position. When I had my studio, I had several stacks and could play as loud as I want. Since life has caught up with me, Im not doing much work in the studio so I am just going to focus on my playing. Sold off most of my gear. Ive got a couple of 5150 heads left and will sell those. The 5150s have been the standard for me with my style. Im looking for a rock/metal amp first. but cleans are important to me and so is versatility. Ive decided that I want more than 2 channels and I dont want a combo amp. I just bought a mesa 2x12 recto cab and need an amp to go on top. The old 5150s are great but, as everyone knows, they are one trick ponies. Cleans suffer and for me, thats a deal breaker right now. I want a good amp. No more cheap stuff but Im really not trying to fork over 4k for a head right now. Here's what Im looking at:

5150iii- the obvious choice since Im already familiar with this sound. this is also the top contender. 3 channels. fender cleans, plexi tone and all out lead tone. . And for 1500 bucks for a 100w head its definitely in the budget. If I went with this amp, I would probably have it modded for its full potential. Im looking at the Kruse Kontrol supersonic mod that decompresses this amp and hot rods all three channels. He can also mod it to scale down the power by a knob in the back. Will also look at FJA mods

Mesa mark V- This is just one I am looking at. Not sure if I'm going to go with mesa. Ive never played the head, but I did play the combo and did not like it at all. Dont like the gain at all, its too honky and weird. Not saying its not a good amp at all. The combo just left a bad taste in me. I want to try the full head through a cabinet to get the full experience. I do like that its three channels and the customization is appealing. I like that the power can be scaled down to class A or class A/B. Ive heard some good clips of it as well

Bogner Shiva- I actually liked this head better than any other bogner I played. (goldfinger, uberschall). I liked the anniversary Shiva better than the regular one cause its higher and more refined gain according to Bogner. I liked the KT88 sound out of that one. Great cleans and overall great sounding amp. But its only 2 channels and not quite as much gain as Id like. Its good sounding gain, but I'm afraid it wont go all out like some of the other options on this list. this is only an amp I am considering. Its toward the bottom of the list

Engl- The powerball and invader sound very appealing to me. Love the 4 seperate channels for clean, crunch, rhythm and lead. Cleans are supposed to be excellent and the distortion is voiced for modern rock/metal which does appeal to me. Problems are its almost impossible for me to find one to play and the price tag is at the top end of the spectrum. On paper, it sounds like it could be the perfect amp for me though

Badcat Lynx- havent played one but been doing research on it. The reason I chose this as a contender is that its a boutique handbuilt Class A amp. I absolutely love the guitar sound that Converge gets out of these amps which is why im curious. Its the hottest that badcat has to offer and looks to be one of the hottest Class A amps out there. But it's got the EL34 midrange thing going on which I have stayed away from in the past. Still a contender but toward the bottom of my list

Ive ruled out Marshalls. Ive had them and they're just not for me. Ive got an old valvestate amp that I like but dont want another one. Ive also ruled out SLO-100. Its only two channels and for the money, Id just assume go with the 5150iii. Ive also ruled out Deizel. Just too hard to find and expensive. Ive played dual and triple recs and not trying to go that route either. I think if I was going to go Mesa, I would go with the Mark V for versatility.

Any thoughts or suggestions from you guys? Id love to hear your opinions. Versatility is key for me with my next amp. I play aggressive styles so its got to have that going on but I do want good cleans and more than two channels for versatility of the gain structure. Thanks
 
Re: Need a new high gain amp and would love to hear some opinions

What about the Hughes and Kettner series of amps ?

http://www.hughes-and-kettner.com/products.php5?id=1&prod=TriAmp MKII#

Ever looked into them ?

If it is a versatile amp you are looking for these could be it - super gain, and flexibility all in one !

Thanks for the suggestion. Always heard of them but never gave them much thought. Looks like a great amp and along the same lines as the engl. and at 2799 its in the ballpark on price. Problem is finding one to play. May just have to get one from a giant retailer and take advantage of the return policy if I dont like it.
 
Re: Need a new high gain amp and would love to hear some opinions

For that kind of money I'd check out a Splawn Nitro, a Bogner Ecstasy, and a VHT Pitbull.

If I had the money I'd probably buy a 5150 III 50 watt, but that's just me.
 
Re: Need a new high gain amp and would love to hear some opinions

The Rhodes Colossus or Gemini are also both worth looking at.
 
Re: Need a new high gain amp and would love to hear some opinions

For that kind of money I'd check out a Splawn Nitro, a Bogner Ecstasy, and a VHT Pitbull.

thanks for the suggestions. I just saw that the ecstasy has 3 channels. didnt realize that. And it can be 6L6 which I like.

If I had the money I'd probably buy a 5150 III 50 watt, but that's just me.

the difference in money between the two is not that big of a deal to me but the fact that the 50w has shared eq on ch. 1 and 2 is a deal breaker.
 
Re: Need a new high gain amp and would love to hear some opinions

The 5150 III Will suit you fine I think.
I would skip the Engls and look Peter's amps as well.
 
Re: Need a new high gain amp and would love to hear some opinions

I don't think you'll find a better deal than the 5150iii. Especially if you get that Kruse Kontrol mod. I'm in the middle of trying to sell off most of my old stuff to get one myself.

Did you like anything about that new Archon amp from PRS? Supposedly it's got good cleans and gobs of gain but I've yet to see a price attached to it.
 
Re: Need a new high gain amp and would love to hear some opinions

I don't think you'll find a better deal than the 5150iii. Especially if you get that Kruse Kontrol mod. I'm in the middle of trying to sell off most of my old stuff to get one myself.

You know. I keep leaning that direction. For the money I havent found any other amp that can offer what this one does honestly. I called Jens with Kruse Kontrol and chatted with him. Its going to cost me like 400 bucks to do the supersonic decompression mod and the power variac mod. That includes shipping. The variac mod scales the power down at the power tubes from 100w-50w-25w-10-5 with the turn of a knob. It will just saturate the tone and make it thicker and richer as you scale down. The clips on his site are great. That is my number one choice right now. Im just trying to weigh out all my options before pulling the trigger

Did you like anything about that new Archon amp from PRS? Supposedly it's got good cleans and gobs of gain but I've yet to see a price attached to it.

I had not till you mentioned it but just went to their site and watched the video. Sounds good but its only two channels. I am definitely interested in learning more about it though
 
Re: Need a new high gain amp and would love to hear some opinions

Look at the Blackstar Series One line of their heads.

Check out the Series One 200 it can do it all and can come down to 20 watts.
http://www.blackstaramps.com/products/seriesone200/

Thats a nice amp! 200watts, 4 channels, midi, I love that it has the shape feature. Thats cool. And it has power reduction. And it has KT88s! Im gonna have to check that one out definitely. Thanks for the suggestion man!
 
Re: Need a new high gain amp and would love to hear some opinions

You know. I keep leaning that direction. For the money I havent found any other amp that can offer what this one does honestly. I called Jens with Kruse Kontrol and chatted with him. Its going to cost me like 400 bucks to do the supersonic decompression mod and the power variac mod. That includes shipping. The variac mod scales the power down at the power tubes from 100w-50w-25w-10-5 with the turn of a knob. It will just saturate the tone and make it thicker and richer as you scale down. The clips on his site are great. That is my number one choice right now. Im just trying to weigh out all my options before pulling the trigger



I had not till you mentioned it but just went to their site and watched the video. Sounds good but its only two channels. I am definitely interested in learning more about it though

I hadn't heard of the mod until I saw one of your posts in another thread somewhere. But even stock, that amp seriously has it all. Fender clean, Marshall crunch, and a lead channel with an SLO kind of flavor to it.

I didn't think about it only having two channels but it seemed interesting enough to bring up. Kind of reminded me a bit too much of a Mesa Recto though.
 
Re: Need a new high gain amp and would love to hear some opinions

I first thought Mark V, but the 5153 is an excellent choice, especially considering you already have a lot of experience with those amps.
 
Re: Need a new high gain amp and would love to hear some opinions

Get the new 5150 iii stealth.

I seriously thought about it. But the regular 5153 with the mods i described is basically the same thing and I get the power down variac mod, all for much cheaper. But I do like the color of the stealth and the resonant controls on it.
 
Re: Need a new high gain amp and would love to hear some opinions

Its came down to the evh 100 or the blackstar series one. either the 6l6 version or the kt88. not sure yet but leaning toward the kt88

If I went with the 5150 i would do the kruse decompression mod and the power variac mod. the blackstar has everything I want and its 4 channels. Thats a real solid contender. Im just going to play both before I make my final decision. I feel like im cheating if I dont go with the 5150 but if the blackstar stacks up its worth a shot
 
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