Need help with invader....
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Forbes
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Re: Need help with invader....
Hard quesiton, as i don't know anyone who has used it, i think most people are put off from trying it because they are worried it will be too muddy. Maybe try a forum search to see if this topic has come up before?
Also more information about the body woods, your amp and what sort of music you play will help.
Hard quesiton, as i don't know anyone who has used it, i think most people are put off from trying it because they are worried it will be too muddy. Maybe try a forum search to see if this topic has come up before?
Also more information about the body woods, your amp and what sort of music you play will help.
Zhangliqun
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Re: Need help with invader....
There is a neck version of the invader (SH-8n), which is 7.2k while the bridge model is 16.8k. The bridge model would sound horrible in the neck position -- way too strong and therefore muddier than mud.
Try the neck model first.
There is a neck version of the invader (SH-8n), which is 7.2k while the bridge model is 16.8k. The bridge model would sound horrible in the neck position -- way too strong and therefore muddier than mud.
Try the neck model first.
Zhangliqun
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Re: Need help with invader....
Between the neck Invader and the bridge Invader? YES. Re-read my post.
Between the neck Invader and the bridge Invader? YES. Re-read my post.
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theodie
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Put the Invader neck position in the neck. I wouldnt under any circumstance put the Invader bridge in the neck!!!!! MUD CITY!!!!!! You will be sorry if you do this.
Yes the Invader neck is alot brighter than the bridge version. Thats why you want it in the neck.
Put the Invader neck position in the neck. I wouldnt under any circumstance put the Invader bridge in the neck!!!!! MUD CITY!!!!!! You will be sorry if you do this.
Yes the Invader neck is alot brighter than the bridge version. Thats why you want it in the neck.
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theodie
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The Invader bridge would probally be your best bet in the bridge. You most likely could use the Distortion also but I would stick to the invader bridge.
I have an interesting question, Are you stuck on the idea of an invader? What kind of sound are you looking for and what styles of music do you like?
The Invader bridge would probally be your best bet in the bridge. You most likely could use the Distortion also but I would stick to the invader bridge.
I have an interesting question, Are you stuck on the idea of an invader? What kind of sound are you looking for and what styles of music do you like?
Zhangliqun
Questionologist
Re: Need help with invader....
The one that's designed for the neck is going to sound a lot better, trust me. Pickup sets (i.e., Invader bridge/Invader neck, 59 bridge/59 neck, etc.) are calibrated to adjust for the different amplitudes (width/distance) of the string vibration close to the bridge vs. close to the neck.
A string's vibration pattern is much more narrow close to the bridge, meaning there is less energy there to fluctuate the magnetic field, meaning it creates a weaker signal. So bridge pickups are wound "hotter" (more turns of copper wire coil) to compensate for this weaker signal (and to add midrange and bass) and effectively amplify it so its output will balance better with that of the neck pickup.
Hence, the Invader bridge (16.8k) is wound much hotter than the Invader neck (7.2k). There are SOME bridge models of some of Seymour's pickups that can conceivably work well in the neck position, like the Alnico 2 Pro bridge (7.85k vs. 7.6k neck), Jazz bridge (7.9k vs. 7.72k neck) and even the Seth Lover (8.1k vs. 7.2k neck). This is because they are all around the 8k mark and below, which is a good rule of thumb where neck pickups should be in terms of DC resistance.
Because the string over the neck position has that wider amplitude of vibration, you get a LOT more bass frequencies out of your neck pickup, which is why neck pickups sound round and fat. So if you put a super-bass-heavy pickup like the Invader bridge model in the neck position, you will regret it. Not only will it sound super-mega-muddy, it will be MUCH louder than ANY pickup -- including another identical Invader bridge model -- in the bridge position.
Your friend probably put his neck model Invader in the bridge position, which would explain why it sound so "bright".
The one that's designed for the neck is going to sound a lot better, trust me. Pickup sets (i.e., Invader bridge/Invader neck, 59 bridge/59 neck, etc.) are calibrated to adjust for the different amplitudes (width/distance) of the string vibration close to the bridge vs. close to the neck.
A string's vibration pattern is much more narrow close to the bridge, meaning there is less energy there to fluctuate the magnetic field, meaning it creates a weaker signal. So bridge pickups are wound "hotter" (more turns of copper wire coil) to compensate for this weaker signal (and to add midrange and bass) and effectively amplify it so its output will balance better with that of the neck pickup.
Hence, the Invader bridge (16.8k) is wound much hotter than the Invader neck (7.2k). There are SOME bridge models of some of Seymour's pickups that can conceivably work well in the neck position, like the Alnico 2 Pro bridge (7.85k vs. 7.6k neck), Jazz bridge (7.9k vs. 7.72k neck) and even the Seth Lover (8.1k vs. 7.2k neck). This is because they are all around the 8k mark and below, which is a good rule of thumb where neck pickups should be in terms of DC resistance.
Because the string over the neck position has that wider amplitude of vibration, you get a LOT more bass frequencies out of your neck pickup, which is why neck pickups sound round and fat. So if you put a super-bass-heavy pickup like the Invader bridge model in the neck position, you will regret it. Not only will it sound super-mega-muddy, it will be MUCH louder than ANY pickup -- including another identical Invader bridge model -- in the bridge position.
Your friend probably put his neck model Invader in the bridge position, which would explain why it sound so "bright".
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theodie
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Re: Need help with invader....
If you want FAT and HUGE SOUNDING with alot of GAIN, go with the Invader set (bridge and neck).
If you want FAT and HUGE SOUNDING with alot of GAIN, go with the Invader set (bridge and neck).
Zhangliqun
Questionologist
Re: Need help with invader....
If you want fat-sounding pickups, the Invaders will do the trick -- just don't put a bridge model Invader in the neck position.
If you want fat-sounding pickups, the Invaders will do the trick -- just don't put a bridge model Invader in the neck position.
Hellion
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Re: Need help with invader....
Full Shred necks are a good alternative to the Invader neck. A little less bottom end, for which the guitar will make up. I personally like lower output pickups in the neck position, so I myself would probably consider a '59 or Pearly Gates neck.
Full Shred necks are a good alternative to the Invader neck. A little less bottom end, for which the guitar will make up. I personally like lower output pickups in the neck position, so I myself would probably consider a '59 or Pearly Gates neck.
