Need some strat advice

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My buddy is shipping out to basic and gave me his guitars to hold onto for a while. One of them is a strat and I'm not usually a strat guy so this is the first one I've worked on. He told me to fix it up for him however I want and I haven't really dived into it yet. It's a fender MIM SSS and I'm looking for any cheap tips to improve it. Just generic stuff. I will do a full polish and setup first off. Probably change the pickguard (when he was younger he had it signed by blink 182) but other than that, what do you guys suggest that you find makes a strat play/sound better.

Side note, I'm not looking to spend money on new pickups, but open to other stuff.
 
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but other than that, what do you guys suggest that you find makes a strat play/sound better.

Side note, I'm not looking to spend money on new pickups, but open to other stuff.

One of the most significant upgrades on most modern strats is a better sustain block. A big rolled mild steel sustain block does wonders. If it doesn't have bent steel saddles on the trem and a big steel sustain block it needs them both.

One factor is to set up the pickup heights for optimal tone/balance from position to position:

https://forum.seymourduncan.com/sho...ing-a-RW-RP-middle-and-a-hotter-bridge-pickup



Normally the second tone control is on the middle pickup. I (and many others) perfer the 2nd tone control switched to the bridge pickup. This makes the bridge pickup far more usable alone, and it it really isn't that important to have it on the middle pickup. Most use the middle pickup mainly with the neck or bridge pickup in combination so the tone control on thosde pickups also affect the middle pickup when used that way anyway. So if its not on the bridge pickup already thats something to try out.

A well cut and lubed nut is essential on strats.

A little lemon oil once in while on the fret board if it has a rosewood board will be required to keep it in top shape.
 
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One thing I've adjusted back to is not to use a low cap cable. Its something especially important to me with Teles.

Mogami 2524 bulk cable will do. My most recent Strat has the stock Fender wiring and I have no problem with the bridge pickup with a standard cable..

For the record, I do like having a tone control on the bridge pickup. Also another preference for me is using all 3 pickups the same, no RWRP or balanced bridge pickup. Otherise what LPB said.
 
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Some more ideas:

You can also mess around with the trem springs. Some like three springs with them on the middle three claws but the two outboard springs on outmost connections on the block. I like it this way using up to size 10's strings. Some like four springs with three springs in row and the fourth on the top or bottom hole skipping one. Experiment around with this. I like the trem set floating. I think it stays in tune better and It sounds "deeper" to me. Others like the trem tightened down so its not floating and can only be moved down in pitch with the arm. YMMV.

Some like Eric Clapton like a blocked trem over a hard tail or a movable trem. This involves four or five springs tightened all the way down and then a piece of tone wood jammed into the gap so the trem can't move. I have not liked the tone as much this way, but it usually improves sustain.
 
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Good advice guys. I haven't really put it through a tone test, but if I need to change pickups, does anyone have any experience with the sets from GFS?
 
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Good setup and wire the bridge pickup with a tone knob:)
If you get to dig strats more, get a nicer one instead of tossing money into a cheap guitar, if it comes to that!?
SSL-1's are sweet singles for a strat!
 
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Good advice guys. I haven't really put it through a tone test, but if I need to change pickups, does anyone have any experience with the sets from GFS?

If the stock pickups are ceramic magnet types then GFS strat singles will be a certain upgrade. I have heard them and while not quite in the same league as SSL-1s they don't sound bad.
 
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A properly set up MIM Strat can be a very nice playing and good sounding guitar without any upgrades IMHO. No need for upgrades generally. But I'm sure I'm in the minority on that.
 
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A professional setup by a certified tech can do wonders to a MIM Strat! I have set some MIM's up that played better than MIA's straight out of the box. Nut needs to be well made and lubed, saddles need to not only be set at the correct height, but also with the correct radius to the heights so that all six strings have the same clearance. You MIGHT be able to get away with lowering the B and E strings, but check your ability to bend notes without fretting out.

While the OFR's are more technical to setup than strats, I certainly feel the interrelationship between each step affecting the others more on a Strat than on others...
 
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With a few minor yet extremely important modifications, Mexican Strats can play better than off-the-shelf American Strats. Most importantly, they benefit from fret work and a replacement nut.

Firstly, the factory fret work is ****. The frets should be leveled, be crowned, have the ends rounded over, and be polished. Fix it up nice, and the frets will be nicer than the aforementioned off-the-shelf American Strat.

And the nut should be replaced with a Graphtech Tusq XL nut IMO. But whatever the material, the important part is that the nut is custom slotted for your guitar after the fretwork is done.

Also, if you are someone who never uses the vibrato, and never appreciates its incidental effects on tone and feel, block that sucker with a piece of wood.

Go ahead and tighten the tuning peg bushings and knobs as well, while you are monkeying around. The tuners are installed too loosely, and the knobs adjusted like ****, in the factory.

Learn to wrap the strings in a self-locking fashion, using the minimum number of turns. I never go more than one complete turn around the post, with any string, and I try to go even less if possible. Fewer wraps = going out of tune less. No need to worry about slippage with minimum wraps, as long as you self lock the strings.

Also, learn to wrap the strings in such a way that the break angles over the nut are about equal on all the strings. This means that you will probably be wrapping the low E and A strings up their respective posts, not down.

Try to eliminate the string tree if at all possible. If you simple can't do it, due to not enough break angle to prevent a sitar-like buzz, then at least shim the tree up to the minimum height required to prevent the buzz. And either lubricate the bottom of the tree or replace it with a tree made of a permanently lubricated plastic.

IMO/IME, the factory pots, jack are really quite fine to leave in as stock.

If you want to get into spendier territory, the vibrato unit and the tuners should be replaced next to my mind. IMO, they are more of a concern than the stock pickups. Probably the best vibrato out there is the Callaham narrow-spaced model.

The pickups are fine for most things. They give you a quite decent basic Strat tone, and they are pretty versatile. You just need to adjust them and your amp to suit your tastes. That said, if you really hate their sound, you can modify them into "mini P90's" fairly inexpensively. It's cheaper than buying a whole set of replacement pickups, and it sounds great. Just contact the guy at Addiction-FX and order three F spaced (52.4 mm) humbucker keeper bars, 18 Gibson-style polepiece screws, and, optionally, 6 skinny Alnico magnets (pick your type, or mix and match). You want to go in and chisel off the stock magnets and the epoxy that holds them in place. Then use a nail punch to tap out the stock slugs. Install the keeper bar using epoxy, making sure that the holes are properly aligned with the empty slug holes in the pickup bobbin. Once the epoxy has cured, go back and trim off the squeezeout. Then epoxy a pair of the magnets, with the same pole of each magnet touching the keeper bar (i.e. either both north poles or both south poles should be contact the bar). A piece of string works well as a clamp here; it can be cut and then chiseled off along with the hardened excess epoxy later. Then you screw in the polepiece screws. Optionally, you can also epoxy a metal baseplate on over that whole assembly, though it will need to be drilled to make room for the polepiece screws. You end up with an Alnico pickup instead of a ceramic one, and you get adjustable polepieces instead of fixed ones. It's a great improvement, and it costs only about 30 bucks and some of your time.
 
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Take off the blink 182 pickguard, chisel out bridge pickup cavity at an angle and direct mount a humbucker to the body. paint it red with white and black stripes............ : )
 
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I found this video very helpful and I've performed this method on my '98 American Standard as pictured in my avatar. It now stays in much better tune and I'm super-pleased. I use the vibrato arm on my Strat now like it's going out of style.;) I've been playing Strats for years and I own about 9 so far. I've always had problems keeping them in tune after heavy tremolo use...not any more!:banana:

 
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Here is a picture. I haven't done anything yet. Haven't even dusted it.
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There are a few nicks and scratches I could use some help with. I know a lot of them will buff and polish out but some are deep.

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Why don't you discuss it with your friend who owns the guitar and ask Jim what he would like to do to it? Who knows he may be willing to pay for upgraded pickups. If there really is no money available then what I would do if leave it stock but I would rewire it to where the bridge pickup and tone control work then just of a good clean and polish replace the guard and your done
 
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That's pretty much what I'm going to do. He joined the army so I'm fostering his gear while for about 3 years. He told me to do whatever I wanted to make it good. I mostly was looking for advice for what is good tweaks / cheap mods to strats. I always do my own work and can do a decent bit of mods but this is my first strat.
 
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My buddy is shipping out to basic and gave me his guitars to hold onto for a while. One of them is a strat and I'm not usually a strat guy so this is the first one I've worked on. He told me to fix it up for him however I want and I haven't really dived into it yet. It's a fender MIM SSS and I'm looking for any cheap tips to improve it. Just generic stuff. I will do a full polish and setup first off. Probably change the pickguard (when he was younger he had it signed by blink 182) but other than that, what do you guys suggest that you find makes a strat play/sound better.

Side note, I'm not looking to spend money on new pickups, but open to other stuff.

Spend less money on USED pickups? Or trade for em

Srsly, replacing the plastic pts can often cost more than a used bridge pickup. And sometimes you end up dropping more on the HSS guard to go humbucker than on the bucker itself
 
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Take off the blink 182 pickguard, chisel out bridge pickup cavity at an angle and direct mount a humbucker to the body. paint it red with white and black stripes............ : )

MIMs tend to be prerouted HSH under the guard
 
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I disassembled it last night. I think I can get out most of the scratches. I started working on it in an inconspicuous area and I think it's doable.

Also, I noticed that it had 3 500k pots. Now it's my first strat, but those should be 250k, right?
 
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