New Bogner Cabs - what speakers? GBs? V30s?

[OlinMusic]

I have the Bogner OS2x12 coming today and the Bogner 4x12 straight cab

Should I have them loaded with the standard V30s or Greenbacks?

Before people jump all over V30s as being crappy and harsh in the mids - let me say I am seeking:

1) A rig that works ANY TIME, ANY PLACE. That can mean having to play everything from funk/R&B/Jazz to Hard Rock / Classic Rock etc.

2) You never know who you will be playing with, and I do not want to get eaten by louder rigs.

3) A lot of clubs don't allow loud volumes anymore, so I need a rig that plays well both low volumes and high volumes (this is why G12H's aren't on the list. I don't think they give up the goods without some cranking. Am I wrong?)

I feel like GB's have sweeter tone, but don't handle preamp gain and volume as well as V30s. V30s sound "bigger" to me, but GB's sound sweeter. I do NOT want to own multiple 4x12's.

So based on all around need for versatility and TONE, what would you do?

 

[Bludave]

Re: New Bogner Cabs - what speakers? GBs? V30s?

Have you considered a cross pattern of both? I tend to agree with you regarding the GB being sweeter. I have alsways loved the tone of the Basket weave Marshall cabs. With certain amps the greenbacks can tame the volume as well as sweeten the tone. I own a Komet 60 and even though I don't have greenbacks yet, those are what everybody feels are the right speaker for the Komet. With my Shiva (I have a 1 12" combo) the amp sounds great with the stock 80W Celestion.

 

[heavydutysg135]

Re: New Bogner Cabs - what speakers? GBs? V30s?

I don't think that a cross pattern with V30's and G12M's would sound great because the V30 would significantly overpower the G12M. A very popular combination is the V30 mixed with the G12H though as both speakers have the same efficiency and they compliment each other very well. If you are thinking about loading a 2X12 cabinet just realize that if you put greenbacks in it you will only have a 50 watt power handling capacity. Since amps put out more power than they say you are supposed to have 30% more power handling from the cab than what is listed on the amp. This means that if you are running a 2X12 greenback cab you are not "supposed" to run an amp that is much higher than 30 watts. Two V30 speakers have a power handling capacity of 120 watts. If I were you I would have the 2X12 loaded with V30 speakers and the 4X12 loaded with greenbacks (this is my rig). Just my .02

 

[Gearjoneser]

Re: New Bogner Cabs - what speakers? GBs? V30s?

As far as I know, both those cabs come stock with Vin 30's. I have the OS 2-12 and slant 4-12, and never thought to change out the Vin 30's.....sound fine to me.

 

[OlinMusic]

Re: New Bogner Cabs - what speakers? GBs? V30s?

Well, I have an Avatar 2x12 with GB's and its cool to have - though I am careful that I cannot crank it.

Me and the guys at Bogner chatted away, and they said come back if I want GB's, but for now I took the V30s. We all agreed the V30s are just perfection for versatility. They said that they stock V30s for a reason, it never fails and many of their artists prefer them.

I am NOT a LOUD player, but I always have the loudness on tap in case I end up with some band or players that don't know how to turn down (happens a lot lol).

I fear GB's in a 4x12 bc they are sweet, but they don't handle preamp gain as well, they are less tight in the bottom, and they aren't as loud/effecient.

The V30s on the other hand lack the sweetness and looseness in tone.

I can't lose either way. I appreciate all your opinions.

 

[Gearjoneser]

Re: New Bogner Cabs - what speakers? GBs? V30s?

My opinion is that the Bogner 4-12 is utter perfection with 4 Vin 30's.
The 2-12 is good, but something tells me to use a Vin 30/H30 combo in that cab. I still have the Vin 30's in all my cabs. I guess my ears are just used to that speaker.

 

[Lake Placid Blues]

Re: New Bogner Cabs - what speakers? GBs? V30s?

I don't really find the V30's harsh. I find them warmer than GB's, so I'd just go with V30's.

 

[OlinMusic]

Re: New Bogner Cabs - what speakers? GBs? V30s?

You know what? I picked it up with V30s and after much discussion I have to say the V30s do sound great.

Actually cab design obviously plays a part. My V30, open back combo shell is very middy. The 2x12OS and 4x12 are very balanced. You just can't go wrong can you?

 

[drew_half_empty]

Re: New Bogner Cabs - what speakers? GBs? V30s?

maybe just greenbacks in the 2x12?

that way you have a sweeter quieter tone for home, studio, and small venue use

 

[Lake Placid Blues]

Re: New Bogner Cabs - what speakers? GBs? V30s?

........

Actually cab design obviously plays a part. My V30, open back combo shell is very middy. The 2x12OS and 4x12 are very balanced. You just can't go wrong can you?

I have a small square shaped 1x12 combo that can sound pretty "honky" in the mids with a V30. Sometimes there's a nice "sparkle" with the honk, but I can also hear that sparkle as irritatingly bright with some cabs in some situations. In a typical 4x12, or most any better built closed back, or larger partially closed back cabs, they are usually rather nicely balanced. Very smooth. Kind of a rich and thick, and chocalate like in the mids, instead of a mids honk.

The new GB reissues that are out now, seem to be a little louder and more agressive than traditional old GB's do, or am I just hearing it that way?