New single from my band.

El Dunco

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I promised a second album and indeed it is coming. In the meantime, here is our first single off the upcoming second album.

I appreciate your support and guarantee you will enjoy it.

http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/fragmenta2

The song is also available on iTunes and wherever else digital singles are sold.
 
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Massive tone! Love the way your palm mutes "thump." Musically I was getting a Nevermore meets Metallica type vibe, which should be quite appealing to metal heads (I would have been all over this album back in the days when I joined this forum). What was your signal chain man? Very impressed with the production quality.
 
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Massive tone! Love the way your palm mutes "thump." Musically I was getting a Nevermore meets Metallica type vibe, which should be quite appealing to metal heads (I would have been all over this album back in the days when I joined this forum). What was your signal chain man? Very impressed with the production quality.

I'm glad you asked. As you may be surprised to know (or not if you know how I like to produce) the guitar tracks are from real amps and cabs. No plugins, modelers or even impulses (that's not to be taken as a put down to any of those things though). The amp is an early Randall RG100H. It's not like any early Dime/Lynch Randall I've ever seen. It still has the fuzzy carpet on it but the front panel is black. I've been told it's some kind of prototype for either that series or the series after.I tried all these different rigs with preamps and eqs and just couldn't get the sound I wanted. I discovered that plugging straight into the front of that amp sounded godly. Raw, aggressive, meaty but still tight and quite smooth.

I did use the MXR 10 band in the loop but the settings were nothing major, just some very slight bass and presence shaping. That was run into a Marshall 2x12 with Eminence Legends and mic'd with a Heil PR30, an old Senheiser 421 and a couple of ambient mics which were very low in the mix but definitely add noticeable air.

The close mics were both fed to the same opto compressor/saturator processor thingy (not a plugin but a rackmount, I believe it was eventide and there may have been an LA-4 involved). In some of the parts where the guitars noticebly jump up a little like the choruses, There are a couple more tracks of the Mesa Boogie DR (90s model with a sprague in the gain stage). The quad tracking is just for something extra, otherwise it's just dual tracked because I find it to be a clearer sound. We bi-amped Steves bass so it could have that massive humming low end and some upper mid growl as well.

There are some solos in some of the other songs which again I used my trusty twin reverb maxed out. If you have any more questions I could go on forever!
 
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I'm not surprised that it wasn't direct. In my last comment I stopped myself from saying something to the ends of "If that's axefx I'll poo myself." haha. I am however surprised that it's a SS head through a 2x12 -- it sounds like a well mic'd dual rec, so congrats on those results. Eventually I'll have to start investing in more hardware -- how much of a difference do you feel the outboard comp made compared to using plugins? You have a very modern, yet natural sound (tonewise).
 
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I'm not surprised that it wasn't direct. In my last comment I stopped myself from saying something to the ends of "If that's axefx I'll poo myself." haha. I am however surprised that it's a SS head through a 2x12 -- it sounds like a well mic'd dual rec, so congrats on those results. Eventually I'll have to start investing in more hardware -- how much of a difference do you feel the outboard comp made compared to using plugins? You have a very modern, yet natural sound (tonewise).
Optical compression absolutely rocks. It's transparent to the important transients of the signal and makes things really lively and warm. I use a lot of it on my vocals to get them to stand out (among other tricks up my sleeve for sweet vocal presence). Most plugin compressors, usually those included with DAWs are very flat and clinical do the basic job of levelling out peaks in comparison. It would probably be hard to make a compressor plugin that does the vintage presence thing.

At the end of the day, our songs are road tested. It's part of the Fragmenta sound to always have that raw edge of live musicianship no matter how polished the production. We don't ever want to be one of those bands that can only track songs part by part, then struggle to match the standard live that they set for themselves in the studio. We wanted to make a statement about how real modern metal should sound and that you don't need to be a purely 'line-in' band or fly out and pay millions to a big name producer for it.

The guitars are virtually unchanged from what went straight to tape aside from some subtle settings on the outboard and minor eq for it to perfectly fit in the mix. It was one of those moments when I plugged in and immediately had that feeling just about every fellow forumite has had at one point or another (maybe more often if you're Jerry) "Oh HELL yeah... THIS is the sound!" rather than fighting an uphill battle. Whoever said that turning up and letting rip makes you feel like you're so well endowed you need to tuck your c*ck into your pocket was right on the money. Get that sound happening and it's smooth sailing from there. :D

It's also a principle I adhere to as a producer in that it's got to sound how it should before the mics even start getting set up (so obviously the same went for the drums, bass guitar and so on). One often forgets, the first step of recording doesn't involve recording at all.

We were having peoples jaws drop the floor and their bodies smashing together in the crowds before we ever had a record out and we'll never forget that. Our first record has pretty tight performances and the levels for each instrument are just about perfect. It was also raw-edged, particularly the guitar tones. A little less smooth and more of a Godflesh type crunch with the grinding highs but very thrashy.

Example;

 
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Unfortunately I haven't been home long enough the past couple of days to get the song onto my iPod, though I played it on my PC. Tonight, hopefully ...
 
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Optical compression absolutely rocks. It's transparent to the important transients of the signal and makes things really lively and warm. I use a lot of it on my vocals to get them to stand out (among other tricks up my sleeve for sweet vocal presence). Most plugin compressors, usually those included with DAWs are very flat and clinical do the basic job of levelling out peaks in comparison. It would probably be hard to make a compressor plugin that does the vintage presence thing.

At the end of the day, our songs are road tested. It's part of the Fragmenta sound to always have that raw edge of live musicianship no matter how polished the production. We don't ever want to be one of those bands that can only track songs part by part, then struggle to match the standard live that they set for themselves in the studio. We wanted to make a statement about how real modern metal should sound and that you don't need to be a purely 'line-in' band or fly out and pay millions to a big name producer for it.

The guitars are virtually unchanged from what went straight to tape aside from some subtle settings on the outboard and minor eq for it to perfectly fit in the mix. It was one of those moments when I plugged in and immediately had that feeling just about every fellow forumite has had at one point or another (maybe more often if you're Jerry) "Oh HELL yeah... THIS is the sound!" rather than fighting an uphill battle. Whoever said that turning up and letting rip makes you feel like you're so well endowed you need to tuck your c*ck into your pocket was right on the money. Get that sound happening and it's smooth sailing from there. :D

It's also a principle I adhere to as a producer in that it's got to sound how it should before the mics even start getting set up (so obviously the same went for the drums, bass guitar and so on). One often forgets, the first step of recording doesn't involve recording at all.

We were having peoples jaws drop the floor and their bodies smashing together in the crowds before we ever had a record out and we'll never forget that. Our first record has pretty tight performances and the levels for each instrument are just about perfect. It was also raw-edged, particularly the guitar tones. A little less smooth and more of a Godflesh type crunch with the grinding highs but very thrashy.

Example;


That's awesome -- I find that I use the opto setting on logic's compressor plugin often, but it definitely doesn't sound as nice :P. I totally understand what you're saying about getting the round right first and then worrying about capturing. There was a saying that was popular on the Sneap forum that applies here -- can't polish a turd!
 
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That's awesome -- I find that I use the opto setting on logic's compressor plugin often, but it definitely doesn't sound as nice :P. I totally understand what you're saying about getting the round right first and then worrying about capturing. There was a saying that was popular on the Sneap forum that applies here -- can't polish a turd!
You should check out Waves Pi compressor; you can download the demo free. That thing is freakin' SWEET, but you have to use it sparingly; it's faithfully rendered down to the very high noise floor! :) On bass guitar, it's my go-to.
 
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I'm not surprised that it wasn't direct. In my last comment I stopped myself from saying something to the ends of "If that's axefx I'll poo myself." haha. I am however surprised that it's a SS head through a 2x12 -- it sounds like a well mic'd dual rec, so congrats on those results. Eventually I'll have to start investing in more hardware -- how much of a difference do you feel the outboard comp made compared to using plugins? You have a very modern, yet natural sound (tonewise).

Solid State just works for metal.
 
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ooh that bass thrum on the palm mute. That little clip has some real thrash metal rep to it. Very nice, man
 
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After sleeping on this I feel its a bit pretentious. Theres no real need to go off time and disrupt a good beat. Fits the attitude I suppose.
I'm going to ask you once and once only to please stop bothering me. I don't care what you think.

Solid State just works for metal.
As in works just fine, or only works for metal?

ooh that bass thrum on the palm mute. That little clip has some real thrash metal rep to it. Very nice, man
The great thing about those smooth eminence speakers is the high efficiency for those bass nuances to come through without muddying everything up. If I recall correctly I used the Ibanez which has the D-sonic which is known for being tuned perfectly for the thump. :)
 
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I love using Eminence speakers for bass guitar ... tho I use 'em in probably a non-traditional way. :)
 
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I use 12" Swamp Thangs. :)

I track the DI and then reamp it. From the reamp it goes into a SansAmp Bass Driver which splits the signal into a direct signal and then into the slave input on my Dual Rec. The SansAmp becomes the preamp into 100W valve/recto goodness. The Mesa is mic'd w a Sennheiser D112. I then blend the mic'd signal for the midrange/upper freqs and the SansAmp for the punchy low bass notes. Sounds fierce w a TONNE of growl!
 
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I use 12" Swamp Thangs. :)

I track the DI and then reamp it. From the reamp it goes into a SansAmp Bass Driver which splits the signal into a direct signal and then into the slave input on my Dual Rec. The SansAmp becomes the preamp into 100W valve/recto goodness. The Mesa is mic'd w a Sennheiser D112. I then blend the mic'd signal for the midrange/upper freqs and the SansAmp for the punchy low bass notes. Sounds fierce w a TONNE of growl!
That's very similar to how we tracked Steve's bass. Got any clips of that rig in action? Let me know if you want the details on how we did the bass.
 
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