New songwriting demo, FARMER GILES OF HAM (Genesis, Renaissance, NWOBHM)

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Darkness on the edge of Tone
The shortest song for the upcoming album at only 8 minutes in length, I like how this once came out. It traverses some different stylistic ground than my other songs: a strong Renaissance influence in the middle section and a NWOBHM/old school metal vibe in the last section.

This is all temp sounds, now ready for the session drummer and reamping!

UPDATE 11 JULY 17: Reamped the guitars and bass for this song.

 
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Reamped the guitars and bass tracks; OP has been updated to reflect this.
 
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Sounds ace dude..it really goes all over the place ..love the tones! The bass stands out and sounds awesome (the mix is very well balanced, so it's not that it's too loud..just great tone & position in the mix) . That Arabian nights kinda section with the orchestral/synth stuff & sweet solo, sounds epic as ****! Nice old-school \m/ jam with the twin guitars at the end there too. Very cool tune :bigthumb:
 
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What's the purpose of such extended playing and procrastination? Is this supposed to be clubbing music or something? And eh...I think I hit road bumps in some places.
 
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Phantasmagoria said:
Sounds ace dude..it really goes all over the place ..love the tones! The bass stands out and sounds awesome (the mix is very well balanced, so it's not that it's too loud..just great tone & position in the mix) . That Arabian nights kinda section with the orchestral/synth stuff & sweet solo, sounds epic as ****! Nice old-school \m/ jam with the twin guitars at the end there too. Very cool tune :bigthumb:
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Thanks! Once the vox are in, the musical shifts may make a little more sense because the narrative will be there. I view the thematic shifts as musical scene changes, plus I get bored quickly and like playing music that echews the verse/bridge/chirus structure. Heh, I call that middle section the Sheharizade section, so we are on the same page there! :)
 
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Obsessive Compulsive said:
What's the purpose of such extended playing and procrastination?
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Why do people climb mountains?

Is this supposed to be clubbing music or something?
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Really can't tell if you are trolling or being funny here, so I am assuming 'funny'. Also assuming you are not a fan of prog, which is fine, but it strikes me as odd that you would take the 8-plus minutes out of your day if you are not into it.

And eh...I think I hit road bumps in some places.
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I don't understand this comment. You, as a listener, hit road blocks? Or you heard something wrong with the playing, timing-wise?
 
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Lampy H said:
Awesome work, as always. That lead work is great, and I absolutely loved everything from about 2:00 to 5:30. I also really dig the bass riff underneath that main NWOBHM rhythm toward the end. A perfect example of guitar and bass locking in without mimicking each other. Reminds me of the main riff from After Forever by Sabbath.
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Thanks for listening and for the kind words! There is a little Opeth vibe in that part as well (to my ears) which I didn't notice until afterwards.
 
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TwilightOdyssey said:
Why do people climb mountains?


Really can't tell if you are trolling or being funny here, so I am assuming 'funny'. Also assuming you are not a fan of prog, which is fine, but it strikes me as odd that you would take the 8-plus minutes out of your day if you are not into it.


I don't understand this comment. You, as a listener, hit road blocks? Or you heard something wrong with the playing, timing-wise?
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I used to love Dream Theater up until 2004 when they started to sound very corny with Train of Thoughts. I still enjoy tasteful prog these days especially Chick Corea's works with Return to Forever.

I meant, why do you keep your song so damn long, shouldn't there be a purpose to it? Like conveying a story or ideas that cannot possibly be completed in 3 minutes? Otherwise your music would be similar to clubbing music, but at least electronic dance music has its reason for infinite repeats and delay, cause it's music to which people dance.

Or is there a minimalistic theme ala Philip Glass?

As for the road blocks, I meant, the entire song sounds like patchwork built of unrelated pieces.
 
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Then at around 4:35 it sounds similar to Metallica's intro to "For Whom the Bell Tolls" or "Creeping Death" or maybe something else but it's definitely Metallica; I can't remember which one.

And just before that (the middle eastern bass part), it is similar to the bridge of Iron Maiden's "Mother Russia" and "Seventh Son of the Seventh Son".
 
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Obsessive Compulsive said:
Then at around 4:35 it sounds similar to Metallica's intro to "For Whom the Bell Tolls" or "Creeping Death" or maybe something else but it's definitely Metallica; I can't remember which one.

And just before that (the middle eastern bass part), it is similar to the bridge of Iron Maiden's "Mother Russia" and "Seventh Son of the Seventh Son".
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You have already established the fact that you don't like the song or my songwriting. What is it with the constant trolling?
 
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Well maybe he is sleepy and just does all of this to stay awake?
Dunno what it is he wants...don't care!
I like that track!
 
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TwilightOdyssey said:
You have already established the fact that you don't like the song or my songwriting. What is it with the constant trolling?
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Chillax. Not trolling, just sharing my thoughts. No need to be confrontational.

Like or don't like is a fact of life. You just have to deal with it.
 
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TwilightOdyssey said:
Yup. So?
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Sounds like plagiarism. Fine for me, but at least give the original artist the credit deserved. If this music ever goes public, Genesis could sue you for milllions. Your welcome.

I think Tone Loc had to pay Van Halen for the main riff to Wild Thing, cause it's similar to that of Jamie's Crying. Or did he already buy right from VH? Something like that.
 
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Obsessive Compulsive said:
I think Tone Loc had to pay Van Halen for the main riff to Wild Thing, cause it's similar to that of Jamie's Crying. Or did he already buy right from VH? Something like that.
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It was an uncredited sample, they didn't want to pay 5k to license it so instead it cost them 180k.

To the original point... cool song, and really cool tones going on in alot of it. I do agree this could probably be three separate songs, as each part seems to have an 'end' ... but whatever call it Farmer Giles of Ham SUITE and that takes care of that ...

Certainly some similarities to genesis in the intro, but I'd be pretty hard pressed to call it straight up plagiarism.
 
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Kamanda~SD said:
It was an uncredited sample, they didn't want to pay 5k to license it so instead it cost them 180k.

To the original point... cool song, and really cool tones going on in alot of it. I do agree this could probably be three separate songs, as each part seems to have an 'end' ... but whatever call it Farmer Giles of Ham SUITE and that takes care of that ...

Certainly some similarities to genesis in the intro, but I'd be pretty hard pressed to call it straight up plagiarism.
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At least he shoulda declared it upfront that it was taken from the Genesis song.

What's interesting is when I pointed it out the first time that the song sounds like a patchwork of unrelated ideas, I presumed the ideas were based on several different songs. And I never even heard of the Genesis song before in my whole life, seriously.

Then somebody directed me to it and after having a listen in several random spots, I also found traces of Metallica and a bit of Maiden.

Then he tried to divert the issue by calling me a troll. Very classy.
 
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