NGD: ESP content

[Archer250]

Scored an Edwards that has been for sale since late last year.

Came with PRS pickups. Pots are large Alpha pots, tons of checking and chips -- the mojo.

This thing is light. It's possibly even lighter than my green Rangka strat, and it's VERY resonant, almost acoustically so.

 

[Aceman]

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In before the Cease & desist, Lawsuit, etc....


score!

 

[Archer250]

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In before the Cease & desist, Lawsuit, etc....


score!

I was actually tempted to name the thread "inauthentic content"

 

[Mincer]

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It is our generation's lawsuit models. Play it with pride.

 

[v8stang289]

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Gorgeous guitar!

 

[Chistopher]

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In before the Cease & desist, Lawsuit, etc....


score!

Yeah, I hear Ehdwuld Guitars is pretty serious about people copying their designs.

 

[NegativeEase]

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I believe that ESP is Gibson's most desired target ultimately. -but they would have to win several suits to light that fire.

As ESP and their LTD, Edwards etc brands have really taken hold of the higher end LP market from what I understand.

Never owned any of them, but I've held enough to know they make great stuff.

 

[Mincer]

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See, I think Eastman is the next target, but it would be difficult to go after a company in China.

 

[OLDERBUDWISER]

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Why? Why do we just say its difficult and then do nothing? We dont have customs anymore?

 

[Mincer]

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There is a chance you could stop importation into the USA, but you probably can't stop an overseas company that doesn't recognize USA trademark laws from copying a headstock or shape.

 

[shupe13]

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Congrats!

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[ehdwuld]

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Yeah, I hear Ehdwuld Guitars is pretty serious about people copying their designs.

We are
You have been warned

 

[orpheo]

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Eastman's singlecut design is a 'tribute' to a les paul but isn't one at all. If I were Gibson, I'd be more concerned about the singlecuts being made by Nik Huber and Patrick Eggle. Those babies are absolutely gorgeous and epic.

Chinese trademark laws are really different from 'ours', and by ours I mean American and European. I am no lawyer but MY lawyer told me that it's easier to lose a trademark in China and that enforcing a trademark is absolutely key, much more so than in the EU or USA.

 

[NegativeEase]

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See, I think Eastman is the next target, but it would be difficult to go after a company in China.

That's exactly why I say it's ESP -China is simply impossible -seizing counterfeit imports is about the only option. At the end of the day, the Japanese are more compliant and honor is a big deal there.

 

[devastone]

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I believe that ESP is Gibson's most desired target ultimately. -but they would have to win several suits to light that fire.

As ESP and their LTD, Edwards etc brands have really taken hold of the higher end LP market from what I understand.

Never owned any of them, but I've held enough to know they make great stuff.

I "think" the Eclipse is different enough to present as much of a challenge as the PRS Singlecut, which they already lost years ago. The original Eclipses had the 4 (2 vol, 2 tone) controls like a LP, I'm sure they changed that for a reason.

Gibson can't touch Edwards since they are a Japanese only company, and Japan doesn't recognize Gibon's trademarks, and you can't buy a new Edwards in the US unless you have it shipped from Japan, I think that Japanese retailers advertising new Edwards (or ____________) with shipping to the US on Reverb and ebay may be in some grey territory, but it if is advertised as used, or probably "demo" there isn't much the big "G" can do.

Oh, and back to the OP, beautiful guitar, congrats!

 

[NegativeEase]

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I "think" the Eclipse is different enough to present as much of a challenge as the PRS Singlecut, which they already lost years ago. The original Eclipses had the 4 (2 vol, 2 tone) controls like a LP, I'm sure they changed that for a reason.

Gibson can't touch Edwards since they are a Japanese only company, and Japan doesn't recognize Gibon's trademarks, and you can't buy a new Edwards in the US unless you have it shipped from Japan, I think that Japanese retailers advertising new Edwards (or ____________) with shipping to the US on Reverb and ebay may be in some grey territory, but it if is advertised as used, or probably "demo" there isn't much the big "G" can do.

Oh, and back to the OP, beautiful guitar, congrats!

Yes, I was refering to ESP imports under US laws, as I know inside Japan there is no recourse or reciprocity on trademark or patent law.

Does ESP not wholesale import the LTD LPs to the states either? or any of the slightly questionable models?

I see everyone having them, but I do not see them in retail stores often.

And by "honor" I mean the Japanese mfg is not going to sneak imports that are deemed illegal on US soil -From a reseller -sure -but Chines Mfgs are all over direct imports that are illegal -they are constantly breaking the law.

 

[Mincer]

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Eastman's singlecut design is a 'tribute' to a les paul but isn't one at all. If I were Gibson, I'd be more concerned about the singlecuts being made by Nik Huber and Patrick Eggle. Those babies are absolutely gorgeous and epic.

Chinese trademark laws are really different from 'ours', and by ours I mean American and European. I am no lawyer but MY lawyer told me that it's easier to lose a trademark in China and that enforcing a trademark is absolutely key, much more so than in the EU or USA.

But they have several 335-alikes.

 

[devastone]

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Yes, I was refering to ESP imports under US laws, as I know inside Japan there is no recourse or reciprocity on trademark or patent law.

Does ESP not wholesale import the LTD LPs to the states either? or any of the slightly questionable models?

I see everyone having them, but I do not see them in retail stores often.

And by "honor" I mean the Japanese mfg is not going to sneak imports that are deemed illegal on US soil -From a reseller -sure -but Chines Mfgs are all over direct imports that are illegal -they are constantly breaking the law.

By LTD LPs, do you mean the Eclipse/EC? If so, yes, they are everywhere. I don't think LTD/ESP has anything closer to an LP than the EC models, Edwards makes the ones like in the OP for 1/2 or less of a "GLP". If they go after ESP, I'm sure they will go after the parent company to get ESP and Schecter in one swoop, the Solo Custom is more LP-ish than the EC.

Which Chinese mfrs are you talking about? Eastman? They make great handmade guitars, definitely the high end of MIC guitars. Are they similar enough? Don't know, again, G lost to PRS in 2004/2005 when they tried to go after the Singlecut and, IMHO, it was more LP-ish that the LTD, Schecter, or Eastman. Makes it easier on the defense lawyers since they have the previous ruling to bring in and it is still recent enough to be very relevant.

 

[ehdwuld]

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Love the guitar

On my Ehdwuld guitars I try to get features and logos that aren't available on real Gibson's
I think they are just enough not to confuse anyone

 

[Archer250]

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Interestingly this guitar seems to be a Jimmy Page model that a previous owner tried to convert to 59 specs.

Gold tuners, Klusson-style, but there are very clear indentations around them, indicating that it used to house Grover-style ones. The jack plate is gold, and the old Grover-lookalike tuners would have been gold too. The strap pins look EXACTLY like the ones in the JP model.