No, not another Floyd question-Please help me

[presa_tito]

I got my floyd set up at a shop because I bought it without those bolcks that push against the cut off ball end of the string and I needed them in, otherwise I would have attempted to do the set up myself. It should be intonated well and everything, but when I got home all the strings were a little too flat. So, I tried to look up and see what I could do myself to fix it without wrecking everything. I followed this page so I could get it in tune and it doesn't seem to be working. http://www.athensmusician.net/archive/2002-04-05_geneguitarguru.php
I did the cross tuning from string #6, 1, 2, 5 twice and then did # 3 and 4 just like it said. I went through this about five times and it is still out of tune. I am afraid if I keep trying to tune it like this then it will pull the bridge up really bad. I took the lock nut off to do this. I'm kind of pissed I didn't receive a guitar that was in perfect tune. Were the strings not in perfect tune to begin with because the tech didn't allow time for the strings to stretch, or does that not matter with a Floyd?
Thanks, Chris.

 

[some_dude]

Re: No, not another Floyd question-Please help me

You need to stretch the strings correctly with a floyd too. Chances are, the tech stretched them a bit and tuned it a couple of times then handed it back to you with the strings still not fully stretched.

 

[seafoamer]

Re: No, not another Floyd question-Please help me

I'm not quite sure what u'r saying. Sometimes the nature of the floating bridge makes it a little harder to bring to pitch finally.

That said: once u notice the bridge pulling up as it's coming up to pitch, go into the back cavity, & screw in a little those 2 screws that pull the spring back. Then, tune it to pitch. U might have to do this little by little, working on getting it up to correct pitch, while keeping the bridge flat.

Once you get it set, it should stay pretty much set, as long as you don't change stg gauges.

 

[presa_tito]

Re: No, not another Floyd question-Please help me

That's what I assumed but I was unsure because some guy at a shop told me the stretching is not a factor. This was at a different place by the way. The question remains though, why isn't it going into tune after that cross tuning I did? It should still be intonated correctly.

 

[Metalman_666]

Re: No, not another Floyd question-Please help me

until I've seen a million questions about Floyd Rose bridges, I never really knew how complicated they are to get working.... Are the floyd copies like Ibanez's Edge Pro and ZR Zero Point any easier to work with?

 

[Guitarist]

Re: No, not another Floyd question-Please help me

You need to stretch the strings correctly with a floyd too. Chances are, the tech stretched them a bit and tuned it a couple of times then handed it back to you with the strings still not fully stretched.

My guesses as well. I'd keep with it, they do take some time to stretch and tune all to perfect pitch. Keep us updated.

 

[presa_tito]

Re: No, not another Floyd question-Please help me

My guesses as well. I'd keep with it, they do take some time to stretch and tune all to perfect pitch. Keep us updated.

No, they're definitely all stretched out by now. If it is intonated already, I thought I could just do that cross tuning and it would come out fine. It doesn't seem to be working though. I do not want to take it in again.

 

[rspst14]

Re: No, not another Floyd question-Please help me

Is this a floating Floyd Rose? I'm a little unclear as to what you're asking. Are you saying the tuning is flat, or the intonation is flat?

Ryan

 

[presa_tito]

Re: No, not another Floyd question-Please help me

**** it, I'm through with this crap. I almost want to throw my guitar through the wall. I am taking it in to the local guy to do. How can it be that hard, I think I just have to actually see someone show and tell me how and get the visual of it. I feel like an idiot who can't tie his shoelaces right now. I set up all my other guitars great. The curse of the Floyd.
PS, Canada just won the gold medal against Russia!

 

[Vasshu the humanoid typhoon]

Re: No, not another Floyd question-Please help me

....Man oh well...
You need to adjust the claw on the backside, tighten them alittle if the bridge keep rising, then you need to tune again, and adjust the claw slightly if the thing keeps going down or up, tune again to see what way the bridge goes, tighten or loose the claw slightly again.
Yours sounds like it need a slight tighten up, and get a small block that fits when you restring the damn thing, just something that can keep the bridge in the relative right position while you restring it, works faster that way.
By the way what strings are you using???

 

[presa_tito]

Re: No, not another Floyd question-Please help me

....Man oh well...
You need to adjust the claw on the backside, tighten them alittle if the bridge keep rising, then you need to tune again, and adjust the claw slightly if the thing keeps going down or up, tune again to see what way the bridge goes, tighten or loose the claw slightly again.
Yours sounds like it need a slight tighten up, and get a small block that fits when you restring the damn thing, just something that can keep the bridge in the relative right position while you restring it, works faster that way.
By the way what strings are you using???

I was trying to tighten the claw a little actually, but since it's not a very good angle to get at, my screwdriver was just stripping the screw.
They are GHS bommer 10's.

 

[Johtosotku]

Re: No, not another Floyd question-Please help me

Try to be patient. Once you get the hang of it, it no longer takes more than 15 minutes. And stays in tune better than anything else!

Now tell us, is the problem with the intonation or the tuning? Tuning the strings five times may not be enough, the more you do it the better.

 

[Gearjoneser]

Re: No, not another Floyd question-Please help me

The most important thing is that the Floyd baseplate be flush with the body when the guitar is in it's normal tuning. Play it for awhile without locking the nut, and without whammying the bar till it stabilizes. Make sure all the fine tuners are set in the middle of their travel, then gently lock down the nut. Whammy the bar a few times, then retune using the fine tuners. Hope this helps.

 

[B2D]

Re: No, not another Floyd question-Please help me

Floyds require a bit of a learning curve and since there's a thousand problems to be had with them there's a thousand answers... and consequently a thousand websites.

Just remember that with those, one thing will inevitably affect another so be careful with adjustments and retune CONSTANTLY. Don't keep it out of tune for too long or else the guitar will "get used" to it being that way.

Rid has the right idea... keep the claw-spring tension and the string tension in equilibrium.