Octavio, Octavian, Proctavia and POG....oh my

millsart

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Here to talk about whats probably the least popular or little known effect on most players pedal boards, the octave up effect.

A very unique (to this day even) effect designed by a little known engineer named Roger Mayer for an obscure guitarist named James Marshall Hendrix.

Basically what it does is double the input signal one octave higher as well as generate some fuzz. Its honestly a bit crude but rather musical and effective. It can be a harsh ring mod or a nice blooming "ghost" octave effect

Look to the outro solo of Purple Haze or Who Knows and all will be clear



Anyways, theres a ton of options out there for this effect. Odd when you think of it given how uncommon it is....

I've been through a few and for the sake of anyone else who cares (or who will care in the future with the search feature) heres one mans subjective thoughts


Voodoo Lab Proctavia - (reminds me of a certain MD lol) the affordable option of the bunch at $129 (if you don't mind that type of money for an effect you won't use that much)

True bypass, hand made analog pedal that claims to be a copy of the original circuit. Well sad to say it ain't kids. Thanks for showing up but this just doesn't compare.

Its got a hint of the real effect but this one is way too gainy, to thin and just doesn't have the octave up effet very strong. Its more of a bad sounding fuzz. Dont waste your money


Next, Dunlop Jimi Hendrix Octavio - Okay, first and foremost I honestly felt bad buying this but I was curious.

Dunlop curiousily doesn't mention the designer Roger Mayer anywhere in their marketing or literature for this device. Thats sort of lame to not give the man his due.

Second, they make a claim that this unit they copied was used on Purple Haze and Fire. It wasn't because Roger didn't design the version they copied until later in Jimi's career.

Sorry but if your going to brag about going to the Experience exhibit and making a carbon copy, get your facts straight.

That big F.U. to Dunlop out of the way, hows it sound ?

Not bad. Its honestly not a bad pedal, they did pretty well I hate to say

It looks intresting with the white cheese wedge shape to boot. Points for that

Like most any octave up its a postive ground so you need a seperate power supply and this one doesn't even have an input jack so its a battery adapter if you want to play that way. I hate 9 volts myself just because I don't want to unplug jacks or have to worry.

No LED either, which while authentic is a pain on stage.


Back to the sound though, this comes pretty close, although its rather thin. Not a bad thin and its a nice cutting fuzz I actually like but its still probably too treblily for most.

The output level is very weak as well. I've always got to crank it to get any level where other effects I could leave on 3 or 4.

Tracks pretty well, gets the effect best around the 12th fret, neck pu all that typical stuff.

At $170 its not outrageous but its not cheap either. I suppose its worth the money but I'd hate to support Dunlop over it, not to mention I don't know how Jimi would feel about the "authentic" Hendrix line they've got out. Your call on that one.



Next, Chicago Iron Octavian - This one knocks the ball out of the park folks. Its an exact copy of the Tycobrahe unit from 1971 (which also is rumored to have been a copy of a Mayer model someone brought in for repair)
Still at least this one gives credit where credits due.

Mines got one extra feature the original didnt, a status LED which is a bright blue, looks nice and is helpful. Also has a dc in jack though like most, its positive ground so it needs it own ac adatper.

Sound will blow you away though, its how the effect is supposed to sound. Its full and rich. Very thick fuzz with lots of low end. The octave effect really blooms into a screaming upper octave sound and its very volume and tone responsive.

Its got massive output, similar to a Zvek pedal, you don't need to put the level past 2 or 3 through cranking it higher into a distortion or fuzz can sound pretty awesome. Love live analog clipping right LOL


If your going to get this effect, this one is by far the best choice out there if you ask me. Its not cheap though at nearly $300 but you get what you pay for.


(onto part II)
 
Re: Octavio, Octavian, Proctavia and POG....oh my

Part II

For fun, heres a few other octave effects I've tried recently as well


Digitech Whammy Reissue - I know some will disagree so I'm sorry but these things are a POS. They sound horrible! Mind you I don't enjoy the original any better. Had one, sold it quickly. Wish I kept it just so I could sell it for $600 to some Morello fan.

Its such a horrible digital fake pitch bend effect. doesn't sound anything like using the bar, it tracks like crap, and it sounds even worse with some distortion after it.

If you want to make some crappy unmusical digital version of stepping on the cat ala every solo Tom Morello has ever played more power to you but I hate this effect.

Again, feel free to disagree but if your looking for an octavia effect, this ain't it.



Also up we've got the EHX POG. Big question is is it worth about $300 ? I don't think so but its pretty intresting. Cheaper and I could see keeping it just because theres nothing else like it.

Yes its digital and sounds a bit fake, but still way better than the Whammy. Whats cool is its polyphonic and can even track chords!

Its got a cool organ tone and while that will soon become played out, it is pretty darn fun while it last LOL. Really does work well at the pipe organ sound. too bad its not a B3.....


To the point though, while this can do +1 and +2 octave up effects and tracks nice, its not an octavia either. Its no doube the best digital pitch shift effect going and sounds decent, maybe even could satisfy some peoples needs for an octavia but when you a/b it with the Octavian it falls short.


I'll try to get some clips off all these pedals this week if I've got time but for now, heres a youtube clip, which ins't mine but its worth checking out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbpmFi5sV84

You can hear/see for yourself just how superior and ballsy the Chicago Iron is than even Mayers own current offering.

The difference is pretty much exactly like the difference between the Dunlop and the CI
 
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The only question I have is, isn't the Tychobrahe a different circuit than the Octavio/a? Wasn't it designed to sound fuller with a more apparent octave under fuzz than the Octavio/a?

Cool review, I too like that sound, but it's so difficult to justify that much cash for a CI. :)
 
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for a 100 bones less id go with the foxrox over the CI. to be fair though, i havent spent any significant time with the CI. th foxrox however...is an amazing unit
 
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The only question I have is, isn't the Tychobrahe a different circuit than the Octavio/a? Wasn't it designed to sound fuller with a more apparent octave under fuzz than the Octavio/a?

Cool review, I too like that sound, but it's so difficult to justify that much cash for a CI. :)


Its definatly lots of rumor and hearsay, but from what I've heard the Tychobrahe was pretty much a copy from one of Rogers later model Octavio's. I guess the way they got their hands on it was one was given to them to perform some repairs.

Now the Dunlop pedal that was cloned according to Roger was also based on a similar Octavio, not the early models that were used on the studio versions of Purple Haze etc.

Roger had a continuous work in progress going over Jimi's career so there really wasn't any one true Jimi version keep in mind.

Roger then went for a transformerless design, which he belives to be the better unit, though as per my understanding, Jimi never used one like that. Roger no doubt did know Jimi well enough to be able to say accurately that he thinks Jimi would of approved but the world will really never know.

How close this model was to his current production rocket ship line I don't know either. The rocket ship stuff is pretty cool as a whole, I LOVE the Axis Fuzz.


The Dunlop pedal to me sounded very very similar to the RM Octavia pedal, similar thin sound which I think you can hear on the YouTube clip.


Its entirely possible that the model Dunlop copied from Mayer is accurate and it did have a thinner sound, so thusly their copy sounds thinner to this day.


Chicago Iron on the other hand was intrested in copying the Tychobrahe version of the copy, and not so much Rogers work. So when your talking a copy of a copy, things very well may sound a bit different in the end.

Just so happens in this case it seems to be the best sounding pedal, at least to my ears


Its got tons of drive, very thick fuzz which I usually keep turned down to only 2 or 3, and just seems to bloom the octave effect stronger not to mention making the effect availible over a wider range of the neck.
The dunlop is great at the 12th fret, but the CI can still bloom even down near the 7th fret to some degree.



Its definatly not cheap, I luckily was able to pick mine up for $200 shipped of ebay, so that makes it a no brainer verse the $170 Dunlop version.

Just the same, I think if I had to do over again, even paying full price I'd have to bite the bullet and go CI again.

It just sounds better to me.

Though I guess its open to intereptation as to how accurate of clone you want.

I'd be surprised if anyone watched the youtube clip and though the Mayer sounded better as to me its no contest but to each his own
 
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for a 100 bones less id go with the foxrox over the CI. to be fair though, i havent spent any significant time with the CI. th foxrox however...is an amazing unit



FoxRox definatly seems like a cool unit, I had plans of buying one of those first, but then came across the CI for $200 shipped so I jumped on that one.

From what Ive seen/heard, as well as talking to a number of users, the FoxRox unit while very good is a bit more of just an octave up effect, and while analog, not exactly the same note blooming, ring mod, fuzz effect of the octavian. Haven't confirmed this myself mind you.

No doubt works well and should keep people happy for the money, plus you get the cool octave down effect too.


I think I'm going to let that one pass though and pick up a MXR Blue Box for my crazy octave down sounds.

Between those two I'll have some quite "horrible" sounding octave down/up effects that will wreck some havoc in quite a musical way LOL
 
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Big POG fan here. I have a special project in mind...
 
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Voodoo Lab Proctavia - (reminds me of a certain MD lol) the affordable option of the bunch at $129 (if you don't mind that type of money for an effect you won't use that much)

True bypass, hand made analog pedal that claims to be a copy of the original circuit. Well sad to say it ain't kids. Thanks for showing up but this just doesn't compare.

Its got a hint of the real effect but this one is way too gainy, to thin and just doesn't have the octave up effet very strong. Its more of a bad sounding fuzz. Dont waste your money

Hmmmm....

If anything some of the VooDoo pedals seem to vary greatly from one to the next, thinking specifically of the Uni-Vibe they make... a few of which have been lackluster (not enough throb) and others have been super sick.

Anyway, I own a Proctavia & couldn't be happier with it. I've played the old Dunlop (not very responsive) and the FoxRox Captain Coconut... and yeah, the FoxRox is badass. But the VooDoo holds it's own & is quite usable and FAR from understated IMO.

But then again, I don't consider it a "staple" of my tone. If I did, then maybe I'd search out something hipper. Think I paid $75 used... and it was well worth it. Nice option to have around for sure.

If anything, I dunno man... informative post but maybe disgruntled or something??? Why pick on a Whammy pedal? It's not made to do what 'yer looking for & lots of other people have found uses for it... and bypass/active LED's?

Do you REALLY need one of those on a stomper like an Octavia? I mean...

It's pretty easy to tell if it's on or off... If you can't tell by playing... well...

:31:
 
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I've never heard the Voodoo Lab's stuff to vary from unit to unit but it would certainly stand to reason given the cost point they are at.

I've got one of their Micro Vibes as well and that one definatly comes up much thinner than the Mojo Vibe I have. The Mojo set to less than 50% easily matches the Micro Vibe on full intensity and speed.

I like the brand as a whole though, pretty good products for the money, and the build quality etc seems top notch. Just sound wise they are lacking a bit.


Its possible I had a less than stellar procatavia I suppose. I just didn't find it in the same league as anything else I've played before or more recently bought.

It just was thin and with too much gain. I'd honeslty think of it more as a thin fuzzy distortion effect more than a true octave effect.

Mind you it doesnt always sound bad, and fuzzy distortion effects can be cool in their own right, but compared to the blooming octave's you could get from the other offerings its just not really there.

For $75 for a semi used effect definatly worth having on your board though.


As for the Whammy, darn right I'm disgruntled about those LOL, Can't stand that pedal!

I borrowed a buddy's just to try it out again and just hate the sound it makes.

My opinion doesn't make it bad of course for anyone else but its painful for me to listen to.

I always used to love RATM as a band, but man, when Morello would play a solo on that thing for the 100th time in a night I'd want to lose it.

Its like they'd have this badass groove going on then then it would be ruined with a digital stepping on the cat sound LOL

Simply hate that pedal and I feel the need to keep telling the world my feelings about it. (As if anyone really cares LOL)

cheers
 
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Do you REALLY need one of those on a stomper like an Octavia? I mean...

It's pretty easy to tell if it's on or off... If you can't tell by playing... well...

:31:


You definatly don't need an LED, but its certainly nice to have, especially if all your other pedals have them.

I'm a big fan of visual confirmation, plus blue LED's look cool too


When on stage and moving around, i hate trying to quickly switch an effect on/off and not hitting the switch hard enough etc and having to miss a beat and redo it.


I really want to get an LED on my Teese Wah too because sometimes when I think I rocked it hard enough to turn it off it didn't catch and it throws me off a little

again, not the end of the world but its nice to be able to confirm with your ears AND your eyes
 
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Proctavia Update:

Took this pedal over to a friends house to jam along with the Octavian as I just wanted to give it another shot and get another set of ears based upon "J Moose"'s post saying he's happy with his, and he typically has a good set of ears from what I've read of his post.

So that set, tried the Proctavia with lots of different drive pedals after it such as a Jeckle and Hyde, TS808, Sunface, Sybil and a modded DS-1, into a couple of different amps, Fender HRD, Marshall 2203, and a Vox AC15.

No matter the rig, this thing just does not sing. We could not get the octave effect to really get out of it.

Where as with the CI pedal the note can decay and then "bloom" into a clean singing octave, the Voodoo Lab pedal just would decay out.

Tried different levels of boost as well and even with next to no boost the octave effect just says buried.

You can tell its there I guess but its rather lost in the distorted ringmod'ish tone that is an octavia type pedal.

My buddy thought it to be a weak ring mod pedal more than an octave up pedal.

Maybe I've just got a very poor copy of the pedal but the more I play it compared to the CI, the less I like it.

I definatly wouldn't recommend this pedal even at $75 based up my latest in depth experiences.
 
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Big POG fan here. I have a special project in mind...

I was messing around with their smaller version (MOG I think?) that was a blast to play around with.

No love for the MXR Blue Box people? I know it only gives you lower octaves but it's a fun freaking pedal.
 
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I like the BlueBox, takes the pitch in the totally opposite direction of the pedals were are discussing here, but its still cool

Guyatone has a new similar pedal, the MO-3 which gives not only 2 down but also 1 down and direct levels with the same synth octave effect and probably better tracking I'd have to hope. It has a three position filter as well which I'm not sure does what exactly. I'm curious to get me hands on one of those


The bluebox would certainly match colorwise with the Octavian though, as well as having that 70's style too. Nothing beats a well matched effects chain LOL
 
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Proctavia Update:

Took this pedal over to a friends house to jam along with the Octavian as I just wanted to give it another shot and get another set of ears based upon "J Moose"'s post saying he's happy with his, and he typically has a good set of ears from what I've read of his post.

So that set, tried the Proctavia with lots of different drive pedals after it such as a Jeckle and Hyde, TS808, Sunface, Sybil and a modded DS-1, into a couple of different amps, Fender HRD, Marshall 2203, and a Vox AC15.

No matter the rig, this thing just does not sing. We could not get the octave effect to really get out of it.

Weird.

Mine sounds & works best when using the neck pickup on a Strat... neck of a Lester or 335 is a close second but a Strat makes it speak. Otherwise... yeah... it's kinda near useless. But to honest, most Octavia effects I've tried including the fulltone respond the same way. About the only one that didn't get super picky was the FoxRox... it always sounded great but again, responded best w/ neck single coils.

But anyway... the VooDoo Proc... I dunno. I step on it, futz with the knobs... and it conjures up the spirit of Jimi. Works for me. Never had a complaint either...

Maybe it sucks and I've never noticed it. Maybe the one you have sucks.

Not saying anything... just sayin'.
 
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