Old Fender Amps doing Modern Metal Tones.

[El Dunco]

I am not exactly a downtuned "modern metal" kinda guy, but I am very fond of my Fender Twin (the all tube amp with red knobs and a gain channel). Despite not exactly being built for metal or the likes of NOLA, it can pull it off really well! (Therefore it can do the style I play even better, plus some more)

This is a quick demo, improvised riffs, kinda rough... gives you the general idea of the tone in a band context.

Might be your thing, might not be but you'd appreciate it knowing that it's an old blues/country/rock era tube amp. Kinda backs up the old "you can play any style through any rig" theory.

Enjoy.

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=6530810

Guitar used: Schecter 007 Elite, Mahogany Set Neck w/ figured maple top, Invader 7 in bridge. Invader is surprisingly tight given the warm nature of the guitar and the low tuning.

No external overdrives/effects were used, the gain is on 6.5 It's the real thing from the 80s, not a reissue. No internal mods have been done to the amp, only a tube change. Used the built in, stock Fender speakers rather than more efficient modern speakers for effect.

 

[cream123]

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sounds nice man!!! improvised riffs.....lol. sounds great to me. a great metal tone...maybe a bit loose but it gets the job done very, very well!

 

[StrangeSound]

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I dig it! Incredible tones you get out of the ol' Fender

 

[Vasshu the humanoid typhoon]

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Smack it down Beer$!
Had the small practise amp from that series back then....
Like that more loose tone you have...as I am not the biggest fan of tiiight
Cool!

 

[El Dunco]

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Thanks very much for the positive comments fellas

 

[ImmortalSix]

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Sounds real

 

[gnoj_LL]

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i love the tone man! fat and juicy! i would have not imagined it to be a fender amp if you did not mention it in the 1st place.

nice stereo mix too =)

and playing as well =)

my only complaint is why not upload the whole song??

im diggin it:biglaugh:

 

[Vasshu the humanoid typhoon]

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Hehe yeah...I thought it was glitch....but no more was left...was digging it as well!

 

[Pink Unicorn Horsey]

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Sounds fantastic, Duncan! I'm impressed that you were able to coax metal tones from that Fender -- and I'm impressed with your playing as well. Great stuff!

cg

 

[El Dunco]

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Didn't upload a whole song because I don't exactly want it on the "charts" and I just wanted to showcase the tone, plus the fact it was a new drum machine and I hadn't learned how to program it properly into a whole song. I can make a whole song of it if you'd like. Yes, I am a believer in stereo-layering guitars, gives a very big, heavy sound while the stereo separation prevent doubling up on too many frequencies and creating unwanted noises/mud etc. If you've noticed I actually added some bass guitar in there as well to fill out the sound a bit more.

I am very thankful of all the positive feedback. Keep those Fenders loud, proud and cranked how they should be!

 

[xxxplorer]

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Not to hijack, but how do you do the stereo layering thing? Just pan 2 different guitars; one left and one right and a 3rd in the middle? Just wondering... that tone is amazing!

 

[El Dunco]

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Not to hijack, but how do you do the stereo layering thing? Just pan 2 different guitars; one left and one right and a 3rd in the middle? Just wondering... that tone is amazing!

Well, I put down 2 guitar tracks, with slightly altering guitar tones, I just backed off the presence knob a bit for one of them, don't remember which. Both guitars double riff one, then guitar 1 did some drawn out, sliding intervals while guitar 2 and bass double up on a stop/start riff. Then everything goes back to the first riff. No third guitar although if I wanted it to be even bigger a third guitar centered and with the phase reversed would certainly do the trick.

Guitar 1 is about 60-80% left and Guitar 2 is the equal amount right, not exactly hard left and right so there is a about 20-30% difference for the guitars to cross over. Bass is centered. It's fun for listeners to pan their stereo balance left and right to hear the slightly different guitars too.

 

[Pink Unicorn Horsey]

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I've found that, just like you did, using two guitars with slightly different tones panned to either side is a great way to get a very big sound. There's something about that slight alteration in tone or amount of overdrive that does wonders -- it's a cue to the brain that there's more going on.

cg

 

[El Dunco]

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It's because, as the humans we are we are always going to be milliseconds behind ourselves, even if we're ultra tight. You could even take the original guitar track, make a duplicate and then drag it a few ms behind the original and pan them each left and right. Maybe EQ it a little differently. Another cool thing to do is plug your guitar into a stereo delay have the dry output to one amp the and wet output set to about 40ms into another. It will sound like 2 guitarists.

 

[Pink Unicorn Horsey]

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It's because, as the humans we are we are always going to be milliseconds behind ourselves, even if we're ultra tight. You could even take the original guitar track, make a duplicate and then drag it a few ms behind the original and pan them each left and right. Maybe EQ it a little differently. Another cool thing to do is plug your guitar into a stereo delay have the dry output to one amp the and wet output set to about 40ms into another. It will sound like 2 guitarists.

Right, and using a chorus does something similar to this, only with a regularly varied delay, but playing the same part on two distinctly separate tracks panned left and right sounds more organic -- because it is. I like the Tony Iommi-style double tracks. He double tracked most of his rhythms and leads, and he would occasionally change up some of the lead sections on one track to not just mimic but also complement the other track.

cg

 

[Ascension]

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Wasn't that amp a Rivera design? The right tube Fenders can get KILLER high gain tones!! I know as my Prosonics will flat murder anything Marshall is doing right now!!!
Here is a high gain Fender Prosonic clip for ya no effects.http://soundclick.com/share?songid=5865727

 

[B Bent]

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Dude I like that a lot! Great sound!

 

[Yngwiestein]

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That was a good clip! The sounds was ok for metal! Sorry to say but still sounds like a Fender amp doing metal. I don't think it can really hang with a Marshall for this music. The Prosonic maybe sounds more suitable. I'm not saying you didn't make a great clip. It's good but the amp is ok.

 

[Jrex]

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WOW, that was totally unexpected!
The palm mutes was badimus maximus!
That amp modded?

 

[Fusion1]

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Pretty sweet. At first I didn't catch that you said it was a tube amp and I was drooling if that was an older SS Fender amp as I had a M-80 Pro and I never had tone like that even with a tuned down Dropped A on a 6 string.