On-board multi-FX done "right"?

DrNewcenstein

He Did the Monster Mash
Years upon years ago I had a Cort Effector with an on-board effects system. It sucked.

Over the years I've had guitars with on-board preamps and treble boosts with sweepable range you could monkey into acting like a wah, but they were largely useless.

I know you can get big honkin' circuit boards that do one thing, typically some sort of clean boost or passive-to-active simulation or compressor, but has anyone done a complete series of on-board effects - chorus/flange, delay/reverb, actual distortion and/or OD, phaser/autowah - that was modular enough and small enough that you could put it inside a Les Paul control cavity easily?

I'm thinking this could be done, especially with the miniaturization tech we have today. A complete line of floor-pedal-quality effects each no bigger than a typical USB flash drive. With a master inline slot connector or connector array, the order in which you put each effect stick is the pedal chain. The effect strip runs parallel to the guitar's dry output, and you can blend it as much as you like.

Of course you'd still need to add knobs and buttons and switches to the body, unless it was controlled by an app, in which case you may as well use an iRig and Amplitube, but then you still need to floor pedals to turn FX on/off, so you may as well use pedals or a rack with a controller.
 
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I've thought the same thing on occasion....

Considering my not even very nice smat phone has more processing power as a late 80's/early 90's super computer you'd think they could figure out a decent mini flange/phase/delay or something???
 
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I had one of those Corts in the early nineties
for about two weeks

never got it to work and sent it back
 
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Gibson Firebird X was (is?) exactly like that. I haven't heard much positive comments about it though...
 
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The one thing I've found about Fx is they are great or suck depending on the amp they are going into. Add into that the varying tastes of effects, and given that most people are aware of these 2 points I'd find not many wanting such a hit or miss proprietary system.
 
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I just put a GFS MidBoost/Wah into a build this past spring and it's kinda fun to play with. It sounds good enough that I could use it live, and I'm getting the hang of doing a wah with my finger, but let's face it... pedals are much handier because our hands are pretty busy when we're playing.
 
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Ah...the memories! Deluxe models of VOX guitars of the late Sixties had built-in effects, like distortion, an E-Tuner, and the Guiness Book of Records "Worst Effect Ever"--Repeat Percussion! Some had a vibrato bar..and a Wah-wah too!

Then came the Electra guitars of the Seventies. I think they had several effects to choose from, and I think you could load up to three of them onboard.

Several companies have had built-in preamp/boosters. I installed one from Alembic in my old Strat, but it didn't work out for me. I have vintage Music Man Sabres with factory-installed active tone controls and a low-noise buffered output. Low impedance pickups--I can drive 100' of cable with no loss. Pretty cool! One of Leo Fender's better ideas.

I've often thought that I'd like to see if a Dan Armstrong Orange Squeezer compressor could be fitted to the Music Man. The DAOS was a darn good little compressor! He had a line of effects that plugged into the output jack of the guitar. But those effects are rarely found these days and can be pricey. I think they were made by the guy behind Mutron. Tiny circuit boards, a plus.

And I have a couple of the DanElectro Innuendo 12-strings. These have built-in distortion, chorus, delay and tremolo. The effects are decent and on a par with their FAB pedals, except for the distortion which is basically unusable on the 12-strings. Each effect has its own on/off switch, and there is a Volume and tone control for the guitar; there are two additional controls to adjust the parameters of the effects. I've never opened the control cavity to look at the circuit. Like my Sabres, they have a separate battery compartment. And, you have two output jacks; one completely bypasses the effects.

It's a nice idea to have built-in effects, but for practical reasons it's never caught on. There are many reasons why foot-operated effects pedals are so popular.

Bill
 
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My Uncle used an inline booster thingy on his Sho-Bud pedal steel. Plugged into the jack, cable plugged into that. It was fairly big, though, about the size of a pack of cigs. I can't imagine a chain of those.

I know the Jackson PC-1 has a massive board for the Sustainer - like almost half the body is hollowed out for it - and all it does is the Sustain thing. For an internal effects array, I'm thinking redundant circuitry could be on the main board, about the size of the control board Gibson puts in LPs these days (that everyone rips out), which has a little less space than the current Jackson "Ontario" route.

The individual modules could simply inject the effect-specific circuitry. I'm also thinking a max of 4 9-volts (barring active pickups), so you can run 4 FX at once. Each battery controls a single specific effect type - preamp (boost, OD, Distortion, Comp), modulation (Chorus/Flange/Phase/Vibe), and Time-based (Delay/Reverb), and you have the option of using 2 preamp effects (Comp+OD, OD+Dist, etc), or the 4th battery is for active pickups, or some other function.

Each effect would have one parameter you can control via concentric pot (one part for the Volume/Tone of the pickup, one for the active effect). Obviously this would work best for 4-knob layouts. You set the basic tonal character and volume of each effect with a trim pot on the module, and the surface pot controls the amount of Drive for Boost/OD/Distortion/Compressor, Wet/Dry mix of Modulation effects, and Time of Delay/Reverb. You could dynamically adjust the Delay from tight slapback to canyon echoes, set the Reverb to small room or massive chamber, full-raging Distortion to slight grit, or go from a slight compression to full Jazz squashing of cleans.

I mean, if you're using 13 different effects live in a Prog project, you'd have different guitars set up with a different effect combo, or multiple guitarists using a different effect setup. No one would reasonably expect to use every single available effect in one song by themselves and expect to switch between them in the blink of an eye, no matter how complex you think your material is. Maintaining the flow of a performance as part of a band would take precedence over wearing a full studio rack.

Still, the simplest solution for stage and studio remains floor and rack units that can do all that, so essentially the concept is moot.
 
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I know the Gibson ES Artist had a compressor, boost and expander built in, but it took up a huge portion of the body. As much as inside-the-guitar-effects were novel, they never really caught on. Some newer guitars contain a port for a phone, so you can use some amp modeling + effects...that seems like a better solution, but I think most of us like em separate.
 
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I always dug the Clapton mid-boost, and thought his 90s sound was kinda cool (though many hated it).
 
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On my latest build i am using a ibanez neck simulator from the rg550xh and i can't fault it hey. It'sot really the same thing you guys are talking about but it does the best job of making the bridge pup sound like a neck it's amazing.
 
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The trem springs?

Actually, no .... the electronics ! The PCB !

The trem springs remind me of something I saw in an old 1970s Guitar Player magazine ... an American session player had modded his Telecaster and had 6 motorcycle cables connected to the saddles, and at the other end of the cables, six (mechanical) pedals ... so he could raise (and possibly lower, I can't remember now) the pitch of any string using the associated pedal. Obviously he would have only been able to bend two strings at once, unless he had more than two feet.

But I assume in this case, those springs are an alternative way of mounting to save precious space.
 
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Peavey AT100 Autotune guitar?

No, that's the Moog E1 guitar.

It's got two weird pickups that can either sustain or mute the strings. Then it's got Moog filters. Some versions even had Midi/Piezos too.

Crazy guitar.

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I don't think many of the Moogs sold, and it seems they are already out of the guitar business. Funny, they were responsible for the boost/compressor/expander circuits on the old ES Artist guitars of the early 80s. The PC board was just as big on those guitars, too. You'd think it would get smaller by now.
My thought is that it is easier to do these fancy things in software these days- hardware costs way too much to build.
 
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