One of the most interesting pickups I've seen in years

[shadowfire90]

I remember when Zexcoil came out and it was really interesting or fishman fluences how they changed things up. Yet for single coils this product demo below from an up and coming company I'm sure a lot of people who build pickups will go .. huh.. why didn't I think of that.

the stock wiring on this they came up with alone is worth the click and I'm sure there are plenty of other wirings.

 

[Discharged]

Re: One of the most interesting pickups I've seen in years

This has been tried not adopted by most p'up makers due to the big inherent flawed design problem: there's a noticeable volume dip when you bend the 3rd string upwards and the 4th string downwards, most noticeable in the neck position, which arguably is the most used by strat players.

Lindy Fralin solved the problem coming up with this innovative design:
https://www.fralinpickups.com/product/strat-split-blade/

Also G&L solved the problem with this not-so-innovative but effective design:
https://g-l-online-store.myshopify..../products/copy-of-g-l-mfd-pickup-for-comanche

/Peter

 

[DavidRavenMoon]

Re: One of the most interesting pickups I've seen in years

This is not new. The Fender electric 12 string had split pickups.

Currently the there’s the Fender Super55 Split Coil, the Lindy Fralin Split Blades. Lots of Jazz bass pickups are made this way, like the DiMarzio model J.

The reason it’s not done with guitar pickups more often is each half has an opposite magnetic polarity. When you bend a string over the split you get a drop out as the string switches magnet poles. On bass the strings are farther apart.


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[Jack_TriPpEr]

Re: One of the most interesting pickups I've seen in years

This has been tried not adopted by most p'up makers due to the big inherent flawed design problem: there's a noticeable volume dip when you bend the 3rd string upwards and the 4th string downwards, most noticeable in the neck position, which arguably is the most used by start players.

Lindy Fralin solved the problem coming up with this innovative design:
https://www.fralinpickups.com/product/strat-split-blade/

Also G&L solved the problem with this not-so-innovative but effective design:
https://g-l-online-store.myshopify..../products/copy-of-g-l-mfd-pickup-for-comanche

/Peter

Wait, the Fralin split-blades and the G&L designs do or do not suffer from the bent 3rd and 4th string problem?

 

[ICTGoober]

Re: One of the most interesting pickups I've seen in years

The P-bass pickup is the SAME venerated design. Claims of NEW are usually dubious, if not outright lies.

 

[Jacew]

Re: One of the most interesting pickups I've seen in years

This has been tried not adopted by most p'up makers due to the big inherent flawed design problem: there's a noticeable volume dip when you bend the 3rd string upwards and the 4th string downwards, most noticeable in the neck position, which arguably is the most used by start players.

Lindy Fralin solved the problem coming up with this innovative design:
https://www.fralinpickups.com/product/strat-split-blade/

Also G&L solved the problem with this not-so-innovative but effective design:
https://g-l-online-store.myshopify..../products/copy-of-g-l-mfd-pickup-for-comanche

/Peter

Finnish winder Jarno Salo makes this patented design that uses same principle:



They are somewhat renowned pickups, but I don't really know more about them.

 

[Mincer]

Re: One of the most interesting pickups I've seen in years

My time is way to limited for paid 'influencer' videos like this.

 

[ICTGoober]

Re: One of the most interesting pickups I've seen in years

I'm with Dave. I pay NO attention to Darrel Braun and the rest of his YouTube cohorts hawking gear for clicks.

 

[freefrog]

Re: One of the most interesting pickups I've seen in years

Wait, the Fralin split-blades and the G&L designs do or do not suffer from the bent 3rd and 4th string problem?

The trick is to shape the coils in such a way that both pass under the 3rd and 4th strings. Hence the shape of the steel blades in the Fralin...

But the other contributors are right: two coils simply next to each other create a dead spot ; that's the reason why split coil PU's are generally mounted on instruments whose strings are not meant to be bent (bass or 12 strings guitars)...

 

[GuitarStv]

Re: One of the most interesting pickups I've seen in years

This has been tried not adopted by most p'up makers due to the big inherent flawed design problem: there's a noticeable volume dip when you bend the 3rd string upwards and the 4th string downwards, most noticeable in the neck position, which arguably is the most used by start players.

I'm not actually sold on the sounds he's getting out of that strat (the mixed positions all sound . . . well, mixed. Not what I'm used to hearing from a strat.) but it doesn't seem to be causing the problem you're worried about. At 6:20 in the video he bends the G string up and I'm not hearing any drop out. Am I crazy?

 

[freefrog]

Re: One of the most interesting pickups I've seen in years

it doesn't seem to be causing the problem you're worried about. At 6:20 in the video he bends the G string up and I'm not hearing any drop out. Am I crazy?

I can't speak for Discharged and I don't know how the pickups tested by Darrell Brown behave.

Now, as humbucking requires RWRP, I don't see how a split coils humbucker could avoid the dreaded dead spot if the coils don't pass both below the D and G string. Hence the problem caused by the Fender Super 55 split coil (as experienced by another folk who usually denies anything I say but who involuntarily agrees with me here: https://www.strat-talk.com/threads/fender-super55-split-coil-analysis-and-review.441252/ ).

Now, if the two coils are not RWRP and therefore not forming a humbucker, that's different...

Anyway, avoiding any dead spot is the reason behind the slanted poles in Zexcoil's, for example: each mini blade is the core of a slanted coil , positioned in such a way that any bent string necessarily passes above two coils altogether...
https://lawingmusicalproducts.com/dr-lawings-blog/evolution-of-zexcoil-part-2-1

 

[jeremy]

Re: One of the most interesting pickups I've seen in years

that demo sure didnt make me want to get those pups but it seemed like the way it was wired, there was never one "whole" pup being used. it was always one coil from this position mixed with one coil from another position, some of those combinations sure arent what i would want, but it may help with the drop

 

[freefrog]

Re: One of the most interesting pickups I've seen in years

Yep Jeremy, it's probably the explanation.

For those who would want a vintage alternative, here we go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v56lfCH580

 

[BeKindRewind]

Re: One of the most interesting pickups I've seen in years

My time is way to limited for paid 'influencer' videos like this.

How come all these guys have the overly dramatic posed thumbnails where they either look insanely surprised with their mouth gaping open, or they're holding their chin thinking.

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[Discharged]

Re: One of the most interesting pickups I've seen in years

At 6:20 in the video he bends the G string up and I'm not hearing any drop out. Am I crazy?

He didn't bend high enough in the fingerboard, and he used OD.

If you bend the 3rd string on the last fret for a whole tone, with the selector in the 2nd position, with a squeaky-clean sound, even if the "innovative" internal wiring actually helps to mitigate the dropout effect, it doesn't completely eliminate it, so you'll probably hear it. If it's big enough for the user to care, that's a conversation for another time.

TBH, for normal use I don't think it'll actually matter, so they can be used... provided you actually like the somewhat quirky inherent tone-footprint produced by the unusual combination of coils, that is!

/Peter

 

[GuitarStv]

Re: One of the most interesting pickups I've seen in years

He didn't bend high enough in the fingerboard, and he used OD.

If you bend the 3rd string in the last fret, with the selector in the 2nd position, with a clean sound, even if the "innovative" internal wiring actually helps to mitigate the dropout effect, it doesn't completely eliminate it, so you'll probably hear it. If it's big enough for the user to care, that's a conversation for another time.

TBH, for normal use I don't think it'll actually matter, so they can be used... provided you actually like the unusual inherent tone-footprint produced by the combination of coils, that is!

/Peter

I play very clean a lot. The bending thing would be a dealbreaker if there's a dead spot. Fortunately I didn't like the pickup sounds anyway.

 

[Discharged]

Re: One of the most interesting pickups I've seen in years

I didn't like the pickup sounds anyway.

Neither did I.

/Peter

 

[Mincer]

Re: One of the most interesting pickups I've seen in years

How come all these guys have the overly dramatic posed thumbnails where they either look insanely surprised with their mouth gaping open, or they're holding their chin thinking.

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Like everything else on the internet, they saw other people doing it first.

 

[Masta' C]

Re: One of the most interesting pickups I've seen in years

that demo sure didnt make me want to get those pups but it seemed like the way it was wired, there was never one "whole" pup being used. it was always one coil from this position mixed with one coil from another position, some of those combinations sure arent what i would want, but it may help with the drop

Exactly what I was thinking

 

[ICTGoober]

Re: One of the most interesting pickups I've seen in years

Like everything else on the internet, they saw other people doing it first.

I despise it as part of the selfie culture.... LOOK AT ME!