Orange AD30TC (2x12 Combo) Review

some_dude

Raging BB Gunologist
Part I

All I'll say for now is 'wow'.

It's going to take me a few days to learn and digest this amp.  I'm not used to EL84s or tube rectifiers so there's a bit of a learning curve.

Early 'honeymoon' comments;

It's pretty loose in a good way.  Dialing in a rhythm tone is taking some effort but the lead tone is.....wow.  It's like I time traveled back to the 70s and stole Jimmy Page's fingers.  That sloppy style of rock lead guitar that I've been trying to develop for the last couple of years is in this amp.

This amp produces the best feedback 'blossom' I've ever heard.

More to follow.
 
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Part II

I've only just started experimenting with delay. Early results were pretty good. I run the MV on 10, the gain at 6 (ch1) and 7 (ch2), then I control everything with my guitars volume knob. The repeats seem to stay clean thus far. I get a jump in repeat volume when switching channels but it's not as extreme as other amps I've tried.

What does get a little messy is when I roll up my guitar's volume....it pushes the repeat volume up and that starts to overdrive. I think I'll be able to overcome this with a little bit of tweeking, but in reality if I'm soloing on 10 I don't think I'll leave the delay on anyway.

The amp also does a great job warming up a delay. Using the Maxon AD999 to front end the Rocker 30 was somewhat.....sterile of all things. Front ending the AD30 really brings out the best in that delay.

I'd have to say that this amp really responds to a volume knob. With my gain as high as it is things get a little messy with the volume on 10 but it lets me dial all the way down to 2 without loosing brightness.....if I dial down the amp's gain to clean things up I loose that effect, so I just stick between 2 and 8 unless I want a bit more sustain....or more mess. This amp is so volume sensitive that it almost seems a waste that they included a second channel. I've given up on the clean/dirty channel switching concept and am now approaching it as a single channel amp with two slight variations of the same tone (one fatter and one more cutting).

More to follow.
 
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Re: Orange AD30TC (2x12 Combo) Review

stereo rocks! you lucky!
 
Re: Orange AD30TC (2x12 Combo) Review

stereo rocks! you lucky!

Yes it does.

I'm back to mono while I learn the amp (and for this review), but I'll mix them back together later on. I might end up using the Rocker as my rhythm amp and the AD as my lead amp, but we'll see what happens*


* - (Past experience is that I get tired of dragging so much stuff and switch back to a single amp, two guitars, and no FX**.)

** - (Pun not intended)
 
Re: Orange AD30TC (2x12 Combo) Review

Nice! I bet that rig cranks! Oranges are very underrated amps, great stuff :fing2:
 
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Part III

I just finished playing a 2-hour practice session and again I'll say 'Wow'.

Every single time I play through this amp all I can think is that it sounds f*cking awesome. I swear that my soloing ability doubled the second I plugged into this thing. I don't know why, but for an amp with only one gain stage this thing has killer sustain. The power tube compression is awesome.

That said.... this is arguably the worst rhythm amp I've ever played in my life. It has next to zero headroom and it breaks up in a way that makes it very difficult to play chords without them going all nasty (I couldn't think of a better term). The rectifier sag that adds a lot of tone and expression to my lead playing causes the bottom end to feel tubby and sputter. While I think the rhythm tone is usable for a lead guitarist that jumps between rhythm and lead a lot I don't think I'd recommend this amp to a strait rhythm player.

Now that that's said, back onto lead;

So far every effect that I've thrown at it has worked...Barber LTD (overdrive), Dunlop Wah (w/Fazel), MXR Blue Box & Phase 90, EHX Big Muff, Small Clone chorus & PolyChorus, and both Ibanez and Maxon analog delays. Unfortunately I just sold a bunch of pedals so I don't have more to experiment with.

The preamp has more than enough headroom to allow the delays to repeat naturally without distorting or becoming confused and unmusical. Also, since the amp is so easily controlled via the guitar's volume I get no problems with repeats jumping in volume like you'd get when you front end a normal channel-switching amp. One cool thing however is that the repeats slowly increase in volume as you turn up your guitars volume, so you can get a nice subtle delay beneath your cleaner soloing, then a still subtle yet more pronounced delay behind your overdriven soloing.

The modulation I've tried thus far has been good for adding a swampy swirl to the overdrive without becoming overbearing. Since most of the dirt comes from the power tubes the preamp doesn't really cause me any problems so I don't think I'm missing much through not having an effects loop.

I'm not a fan of wah, and to tell you the truth, as much as I love this amp I found my Les Paul through the wah less than desirable no matter how far down I dialed the LP's volume. My Strat on the other hand sounded killer through the wah and the extra treble really helped it to take on a more cutting tone without loosing clarity or dynamics like I would with an OD.

As for the OD pedal, it sounded good but it made things a bit more 'modern' sounding than I wanted so I'm not going to give much of an opinion on it.

The Big Muff was most uncool with the Les Paul but pretty cool with the Strat. With the Les Paul it didn't even sound like a Big Muff.... it sounded like a scooped something or other...not enough midrange for lead and way to mushy for rhythm. With the Strat it had a lot more upper mid bite and near infinite sustain.... some people would probably like it but it's not a tone that'll work for me.

Within the next couple of weeks I plan on getting an AnalogMan SunLion. It's a combination Beano Boost and Sunface (a Dallas Rangemaster treble booster clone & germanium Fuzz Face clone in one box). I'm thinking that the treble booster might do a lot to make the rhythm tone more usable in an old school kind of way, and I'm thinking that the Fuzz Face would be fun and would probably compliment this amp's voicing really well. I’ll add more to this review once I get that pedal, though that may be a month or more away.
 
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way cool man. how does it sound through your 4x12? can you do rhythym through the 4x12 a la Queens of the Stone Age? How does it sound for the really low notes and low chords? like if you struck the top 3 strings of your guitar and put no fingers on the fretboard and you were in drop C through a 4x12 cab.

That is a way cool amp - sounds awesome for soloing. Are you coaxing the Led Zeppelin toneful black dog and other stuff like that? Cool stuff!
 
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I'll have to try that stuff tomorrow. I've briefly put it through the 4x12, but I haven't spent enough time with it to really talk about it.
 
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Part IV

Since receiving this amp I’ve never been impressed with the sound imparted by the stock tubes. When I received this amp it was loaded with Electro-Harmonix 12AX7 preamp tubes, Electro-Harmonix EL84 power tubes, and a Sovtek 5AR4 rectifier tube. It also had one JJ ECC83 preamp tube in V2, which I’m guessing was there because the original tube went microphonic in the store at some point.

Today I received a complete set of JJs to retube with;

JJ ECC83S for the V1 (Channel 1 input and gain) & V2 (channel 2 input and gain),
JJ ECC803S for the V3 (channel 1 phase inverter) & V4 (channel 2 phase inverter),
JJ EL84S for the power tubes (V5-V8)
JJ GZ34 for the rectifier

Overall I’m quite impressed. There is an overall smoothing of all frequency ranges, and an improved bottom end response. The amp’s sound is now much more reactive to changes on the EQ. The top end went from having a bit of a ratty twang to more solid bell like tone. The overall sound quality was much improved.

Previously I didn’t think this amp was very good at rhythm, but with these changes it gives a very good blues into rock rhythm tone. No matter how far you dial down the midrange it’s always present, so it’s inherently limited as to how tight it’ll go…. obviously not the best choice if you’re looking for a thrash amp.

In the end I found the amp sounded too tight. For all its improvements its rhythm tone still does not equal what I can get out of my Rocker 30…. the AD30 has more a more slurred sizzle as compared to the Rocker 30’s punch and crunch. Worse, the changes killed that sweet saggy goodness that I loved about the lead tone, making the amp feel somewhat stiff and unresponsive by comparison. No matter how I changed the EQ the bottom end was now too tight. I ended up reverting back to the Sovtek 5AR4 in the rectifier, which immediately brought the headroom down and gave me back the sag I was missing. The bottom end is now much looser and it brought back some of the rattiness to the top end. Although some people may think I’m crazy, I much prefer the sound of it this way.

So, if you love the sound of your AD30 but occasionally wish it had a slight bit more headroom and tightness, the JJ GZ34 rectifier tube is what you’re after.
 
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Re: Orange AD30TC (2x12 Combo) Review

cool - what a rockin amp! :)
 
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