Out of Phase Single Coil

[badco33]

Hi,

I have a strat that I built with a Fender Highway 1 body and a warmouth neck. Originally I had all Duncans in it but I really like the tone of a Torres neck single coil that I have so I combined that with the SSL-1 RW/RP middle and the SSL-5 bridge. The combo sounds great until you combine the neck and middle position, then it is out of phase. Does this mean that the Torres is wound differently than the Duncans? If so, is there anything that can be done to get it "in phase" with the other pick-up?

Let me know if you have any ideas

 

[beandip]

Re: Out of Phase Single Coil

switch the leads of the Torres pickup

 

[Benjy_26]

Re: Out of Phase Single Coil

What Beandip said.

 

[badco33]

Re: Out of Phase Single Coil

wow, it's that easy? I'll give it a shot when I get home.

Thanks

 

[Robert S.]

Re: Out of Phase Single Coil

It's not always that easy. Your ground lead on the Torres pickup is probably also connected to the baseplate and making the baseplate hot can add alot of noise to your guitar.

What you really need to do is get the rw/rp version of the Torres pickup.

 

[badco33]

Re: Out of Phase Single Coil

I thought it might not be that easy. I'll give it a shot and then see what the noise is like. If I get the RW/RP Torres then I will out of phase when I use the bridge an middle, so I'd have to get the whole set I guess.

Why don't all manufacturers wind the same direction? Is that a trick to get you to buy an entire set from them? Or is one more traditional or vintage than the other?

 

[Kent S.]

Re: Out of Phase Single Coil

I thought it might not be that easy. I'll give it a shot and then see what the noise is like. If I get the RW/RP Torres then I will out of phase when I use the bridge an middle, so I'd have to get the whole set I guess.

Why don't all manufacturers wind the same direction? Is that a trick to get you to buy an entire set from them? Or is one more traditional or vintage than the other?

Pup companies wound whichever way they wanted to and still do, it doesn't make a pup sound different one direction or the other ...same with magnetic polarites ... It's just a matter of how one pup relates with another when on together ... remember the original singles didn't have RW/RP singles, but you could still get a pup out of phase if you used another brand along with it, or even a different model from the same company ...
It's not a trick, it's just not engraved in stone to do it one way or the other. Also in regard to what Robert said, reassigning the ground to a sheilded cover or to a baseplate is easy enough ... and swapping the leads will reverse the phase ... but the magnet must be of opposite polarity to hum-cancel when combined with another. This is why humbuckers were invented in the first place ... It's no trick and you don't need to get a new set, just disconnect the wire from the baseplate and or sheilded cover,a run a knew wire to those and to ground, then you can swap your hot and cold coil leads.

 

[STRATDELUXER97]

Re: Out of Phase Single Coil

Pup companies wound whichever way they wanted to and still do, it doesn't make a pup sound different one direction or the other ...same with magnetic polarites ... It's just a matter of how one pup relates with another when on together ... remember the original singles didn't have RW/RP singles, but you could still get a pup out of phase if you used another brand along with it, or even a different model from the same company ...
It's not a trick, it's just not engraved in stone to do it one way or the other. Also in regard to what Robert said, reassigning the ground to a sheilded cover or to a baseplate is easy enough ... and swapping the leads will reverse the phase ... but the magnet must be of opposite polarity to hum-cancel when combined with another. This is why humbuckers were invented in the first place ... It's no trick and you don't need to get a new set, just disconnect the wire from the baseplate and or sheilded cover,a run a knew wire to those and to ground, then you can swap your hot and cold coil leads.

I'm having the same scenario right now by using a Twangbanger in the bridge with a Surfer rwrp in the middle...I'm going to put my black wire to hot now(The switch) and move the white wire to ground...I'll then solder my baseplate wire to the white side so the baseplate is grounded correctly...That should fix my polarity issues... :wink: