P-rail in HSS Elite Strat . . possible to add on-on-on toggle for humbucker control?

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I have wired up my strat as an Elite Strat with P-rails as humbucker (bridge).

Given the wiring that I'm attaching (the Elite), is there a way to use an on-on-on toggle to give me control of humbucker as:
1) First position single coil (screws)
2) Second position both coils (in series or parallel depending on S-1 position)
3) Third position single coil (rail)

I found some directions on how to get the on-on-on to do what I want but I am uncertain as to if it would integrate with the S-1 properly to allow me to do position 2 (both humbuck) as series or parallel. If it is possible, could somebody help me figure out what to adjust with this diagram please?

In the wiring here, I did convert the Fender humbucker wire colors to SD. Also, there is a typo that I discovered on this with the humbucker wires--the green goes to push-push and red/bare goto ground (pic shows this, but text shows green/bare to ground).

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Thanks again for any help.
Jon
 
Re: P-rail in HSS Elite Strat . . possible to add on-on-on toggle for humbucker contr

With P-Rails the easiest thing would be to use triple shots. It would be perfect !

(But be careful if you need to sand the base of the triple shot : you must protect the mini weldings.)
 
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Francois said:
With P-Rails the easiest thing would be to use triple shots. It would be perfect !

(But be careful if you need to sand the base of the triple shot : you must protect the mini weldings.)
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Yeah, I have a triple shot, I just didn't install it on this mod since I wasn't sure how to integrate it with current wiring setup (that I want to keep the current functionality if possible).

Also, I find those tiny toggle switches above the pickup difficult to to change quickly whereas the toggle below is much easier.

In case I cannot get an on-on-on toggle in, any idea how I'd wire the into current setup?

J
 
Re: P-rail in HSS Elite Strat . . possible to add on-on-on toggle for humbucker contr

UPDATE on this mod: I do have a slightly different idea now:

As I play through the settings of my now "Elite Strat" (and noticed the chart that shows what I discovered :banghead: ) I realized that the push-push (that I use an on-on toggle for) is nothing other than a "lead" button insomuch that it just bypasses everything other than the humbucker.

I think rather than adding another toggle as on-on-on, I can just replace this on-on with an on-on-on toggle and re-wire to give me the 3 options on the humbucker (Triple Shot will be last resort since it is so difficult to easily/quickly/accurately get to those toggles above the humbucker when playing).

The 3 options I am hoping for with the on-on-on are:
1) Up position - Rear (screws) single coil
2) Mid position - Full humbucker
3) Down position - Front (rail) single coil (I use P-rail as humbucker)

I will continue to see if I can find this, but any advice greatly appreciated.

Jon

I found this https://www.seymourduncan.com/blog/the-tone-garage/the-p-rails-wiring-bible-part-2
But I am uncertain as to if it will play well with the rest of the wiring in the Elite Strat using the S-1
 
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Re: P-rail in HSS Elite Strat . . possible to add on-on-on toggle for humbucker contr

What kind of a blade switch is that? You've got a regular Strat switch coupled to half of a super switch. I've never seen that before

You say you converted your diagram to SD wire coloring. If so, your diagram is wrong. The way you have it, the P-90 coil is never in the circuit because you have connected the black (start wire of the coil) and white (finish wire of the coil) wires together and taped them off.
 
Re: P-rail in HSS Elite Strat . . possible to add on-on-on toggle for humbucker contr

GuitarDoc said:
What kind of a blade switch is that? You've got a regular Strat switch coupled to half of a super switch. I've never seen that before

You say you converted your diagram to SD wire coloring. If so, your diagram is wrong. The way you have it, the P-90 coil is never in the circuit because you have connected the black (start wire of the coil) and white (finish wire of the coil) wires together and taped them off.
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I had never seen that 5 way super switch before either. It's on the Fender Elite Strat and is called a 5 way super switch Discrete. I have no idea why "discrete" is used though. It costed about $25.

Re: wiring: What I meant is that I converted the diagram you see to SD colors--the image you see up there is the Fender wire colors, so yes, as it is in that pic, it would be wrong, but I just wrote the correct colors on my printout of that diagram.

J
 
Re: P-rail in HSS Elite Strat . . possible to add on-on-on toggle for humbucker contr

This article on SD refers to using an on-off-on to get all 3 modes, but the picture towards the bottom also mentions on-off-on but shows on-on-on in image.

I have both types of toggle (on-on-on and on-off-on) but am not sure which to use for the 3 modes (p-90, full humbucker, rail).

https://www.seymourduncan.com/blog/the-tone-garage/the-p-rails-wiring-bible-part-2

Thanks
Jon
 
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