p-rails ultimate wiring
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Sporky McGuffin
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Re: p-rails ultimate wiring
Two switches or push-pulls or one 4-way blade or rotary per P-rail.
Two switches or push-pulls or one 4-way blade or rotary per P-rail.
Natman
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Re: p-rails ultimate wiring
4 toggles is cluttered, no doubt about it. Teh recommended one with 2 push-pulls (same as 2 DPDT) is just about perfect. I doubt many people will really apreciate the extra sounds you get by having the pickups independently switchable. It only gives you the combinations when both pickups are on together so I went for the 2 DPDT's after trying the 4 minis.
4 toggles is cluttered, no doubt about it. Teh recommended one with 2 push-pulls (same as 2 DPDT) is just about perfect. I doubt many people will really apreciate the extra sounds you get by having the pickups independently switchable. It only gives you the combinations when both pickups are on together so I went for the 2 DPDT's after trying the 4 minis.
Sporky McGuffin
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Not enough switches to get every option, no.
Not enough switches to get every option, no.
MikeS
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Re: p-rails ultimate wiring
When I think of “ultimate” I think of a handful of useful tones and a switching system that allows you to quickly change tones, not necessarily combining every possible tone by utilizing a bunch of switches.
That said, the easiest way to get individual control of series/north/parallel/south is with a pair of double pole rotary switches. The mini toggle could then be used as a “neck on in series”. That limits the number of volume/tone, though, and requires you use master volume and master tone, which is a deal breaker for some players. I know there are diagrams showing how to wire up the rotary switches somewhere on the forum, just a search away.
When I think of “ultimate” I think of a handful of useful tones and a switching system that allows you to quickly change tones, not necessarily combining every possible tone by utilizing a bunch of switches.
That said, the easiest way to get individual control of series/north/parallel/south is with a pair of double pole rotary switches. The mini toggle could then be used as a “neck on in series”. That limits the number of volume/tone, though, and requires you use master volume and master tone, which is a deal breaker for some players. I know there are diagrams showing how to wire up the rotary switches somewhere on the forum, just a search away.
Empty Pockets
BadHairDayologist
Re: p-rails ultimate wiring
I'm just gonna use a three-way mini toggle for mine...all the way down will be the P90, middle will be the humbucker, and up will be the rail...don't really see a use for that parralel tone...
I'm just gonna use a three-way mini toggle for mine...all the way down will be the P90, middle will be the humbucker, and up will be the rail...don't really see a use for that parralel tone...
Gr8Scott
Wookieologist
Re: p-rails ultimate wiring
Would there be any way to wire a dual humbucker guitar with a monster switch so that it was as follows. I'd like to be able to wire in a spin a split so that it changes which way the whole guitar goes to single coil when it cuts one coil all the way off.
With spin a split turned to 10
Pos 1 Bridge in Series
Pos 2 Bridge and Neck in Parallel
Pos 3 Bridge and Neck in Series
Pos 4 Neck in parallel
Pos 5 Neck in series
With spin a split turned to 0
Pos 1 Bridge split to P90
Pos 2 Bridge and Neck split to single coil
Pos 3 Bridge and Neck split to P90
Pos 4 Neck split to single coil
Pos 5 Neck split to P90
I definitely think it's possible, but it will be a little complicated. It would make for one seriously useful guitar and the variability of the tone would be staggering and yet simple to find given you only have one 5 way switch and one spin-a-split to contend with. It would make a fat strat a veritable swiss army knife of tone.
Would there be any way to wire a dual humbucker guitar with a monster switch so that it was as follows. I'd like to be able to wire in a spin a split so that it changes which way the whole guitar goes to single coil when it cuts one coil all the way off.
With spin a split turned to 10
Pos 1 Bridge in Series
Pos 2 Bridge and Neck in Parallel
Pos 3 Bridge and Neck in Series
Pos 4 Neck in parallel
Pos 5 Neck in series
With spin a split turned to 0
Pos 1 Bridge split to P90
Pos 2 Bridge and Neck split to single coil
Pos 3 Bridge and Neck split to P90
Pos 4 Neck split to single coil
Pos 5 Neck split to P90
I definitely think it's possible, but it will be a little complicated. It would make for one seriously useful guitar and the variability of the tone would be staggering and yet simple to find given you only have one 5 way switch and one spin-a-split to contend with. It would make a fat strat a veritable swiss army knife of tone.
Robert S.
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Re: p-rails ultimate wiring
Scott, the rotary mega-switch will be easy enough for your top five selections.
The bottom 5 may be a little trickier because you want to split both pickups to different coils with one or two pots. You'll probably need a center detent dual concentric so that you can turn one direction to spinasplit to the P-90 and the other direction for the single.
You'll need one for each pickup,
Scott, the rotary mega-switch will be easy enough for your top five selections.
The bottom 5 may be a little trickier because you want to split both pickups to different coils with one or two pots. You'll probably need a center detent dual concentric so that you can turn one direction to spinasplit to the P-90 and the other direction for the single.
You'll need one for each pickup,
Will S-T
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Re: p-rails ultimate wiring
"Theoretically" you could get EVERY pickup and coil configuration and
independant volume and tone for each pickup in a standard Les Paul
5 hole layout.
Parts needed would be:
3 x 4 pole rotary switches and 2 x concentric pots (vol/tone for each PU)
One switch for each pickup = North/South/series/series-Ph/parallel/parallel-Ph
Pickup selector = Neck/Bridge/series/series-Ph/parallel/parallel-Ph
I don't know how many sounds would be worthwhile and you would
need a pilot's licence to navigate these controls, but the guitar
would look pretty stock.
I'd be VERY interested in a wiring diagram for the pickup selector as this
is the same configuration found on the Gibson L6, if possible using the
4 pole rotary switch and the original Gibson switch as I have a few on order.
Cheers,
Will.
"Theoretically" you could get EVERY pickup and coil configuration and
independant volume and tone for each pickup in a standard Les Paul
5 hole layout.
Parts needed would be:
3 x 4 pole rotary switches and 2 x concentric pots (vol/tone for each PU)
One switch for each pickup = North/South/series/series-Ph/parallel/parallel-Ph
Pickup selector = Neck/Bridge/series/series-Ph/parallel/parallel-Ph
I don't know how many sounds would be worthwhile and you would
need a pilot's licence to navigate these controls, but the guitar
would look pretty stock.
I'd be VERY interested in a wiring diagram for the pickup selector as this
is the same configuration found on the Gibson L6, if possible using the
4 pole rotary switch and the original Gibson switch as I have a few on order.
Cheers,
Will.
Re: p-rails ultimate wiring
I have a couple James Tyler Studio Elites and I often use the series in the rear and the parallel in the neck. This is a great sound and quiet!
With 2 P Rails would it be possible to have 1 Push Pull Vol, 1 Push Pull Tone, 3 way slider and 2-3 way mini toggles (one for each P Rail). The mini toggles would be series/split/parallel from top to bottom. Then you could select between P90 or Rail with the push pulls.
Each pickup would then have the full range of options.
Is this possible?? Can anyone make that wiring diagram. I'll buy you a steak and beer!!!:friday:
I have a couple James Tyler Studio Elites and I often use the series in the rear and the parallel in the neck. This is a great sound and quiet!
With 2 P Rails would it be possible to have 1 Push Pull Vol, 1 Push Pull Tone, 3 way slider and 2-3 way mini toggles (one for each P Rail). The mini toggles would be series/split/parallel from top to bottom. Then you could select between P90 or Rail with the push pulls.
Each pickup would then have the full range of options.
Is this possible?? Can anyone make that wiring diagram. I'll buy you a steak and beer!!!:friday:
Jet-Jaguar
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Re: p-rails ultimate wiring
Wow, nearly a year old thread necro. Anyway, when they finally arrive, I'm pretty sure the triple-shot humbucker rings will be the ultimate wiring for these. They're currently not available, but I've heard they will be in June.
Wow, nearly a year old thread necro. Anyway, when they finally arrive, I'm pretty sure the triple-shot humbucker rings will be the ultimate wiring for these. They're currently not available, but I've heard they will be in June.
super rad stuff
Skaforlifeologist
Re: p-rails ultimate wiring
hermetico posted a better diagram than the one before, and could do what the triple shots could do only with push pulls. it was a dual volume, dual tone setup with two two-way toggles for phase/series. the mark morton dominion would be a perfect candidate to do this wiring to
hermetico posted a better diagram than the one before, and could do what the triple shots could do only with push pulls. it was a dual volume, dual tone setup with two two-way toggles for phase/series. the mark morton dominion would be a perfect candidate to do this wiring to
DoronEsh
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I've got this one on my P-Rails Project ( (C)&(R) Hermetico ), and it rocks! People can't believe all of these sounds come from just one guitar, and these sounds all sound great. My bandmates thought I had a finger transplant and not a pup change. It splits pups to Single, P90, Parallel HB and Series HB, and allows for Phase-Switch and Series-Parallel HB's. All-in-all: 4x6=24 sounds. You can't have one pup split this way and the other split another, but that's too much for me anyways.
Doron
I've got this one on my P-Rails Project ( (C)&(R) Hermetico ), and it rocks! People can't believe all of these sounds come from just one guitar, and these sounds all sound great. My bandmates thought I had a finger transplant and not a pup change. It splits pups to Single, P90, Parallel HB and Series HB, and allows for Phase-Switch and Series-Parallel HB's. All-in-all: 4x6=24 sounds. You can't have one pup split this way and the other split another, but that's too much for me anyways.
Doron