PAFish Seymour Duncan which one?

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SwedishHumbucker

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Hi folks

I´ve been trying some different pickups and i love low output (low dc)
7,2k - 7,5k is great in the neck and i like both Alinco 2 & 5 magnet, i haven´t tried Alnico 4 yet.
For the bridge i had a 7,7kOhm Alnico 5 pickup but it lacked output/power but it wasn´t thin.
The Burstbucker pro i had original in my Les Paul were 8,31kOhm but that was to much.
Now i tried a a Alnico 2 humbucker 12k which was very nice:)
The clarity of a lower dc PAF pickup but with alot more output.

If i were to look at Seymour Duncan pickups, what would you guys recommend for me?
I´ve been looking at the SH-1 59 for both neck and brigde but i´m open for any mixture of pickups and i´m gratefull for any suggestion:)

Have a nice evening
 
Re: PAFish Seymour Duncan which one?

Thanks, I will.


I would suggest the A2Pro bridge, 59 neck combo. I like the 59 bridge, BUT it doesn't have that sizzle the A2Pro does.
 
Re: PAFish Seymour Duncan which one?

I don't really think of the A2P as a PAF...maybe a modern day verison of a PAF but to me it sounds rather different than any real PAF wind.

The 59's are GREAT as are the Seth Lovers but my favs are the Pearly Gates and the Antiquities and I use both!

I do also use an Alnico II Pro in the neck of one of my guitars...it's paired with a Custom Custom...thats sort of my modern day PAF style set...sort of an optimum or ideal neck PAFish with a very fat overwound PAFish bridge.

That said neither of those are real PAF style pickups...
 
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You are giving me magnet types and DC resistance. Those are nice, but they don't give me specific tones you seek. Magnets have general tones, and DC is not equal to output. The difference between 7.5, 7.7, and 8.3 is pretty much nothing to me in practical terms - but the wind on the pups could be a HUGE difference in tone. Not to mention position.

What SOUND are you looking for?

But - from SD....

59 - New Old Stock a5 paf. Bass and Treble. Sometimes too much boom in the bass/neck position.
A2P - Old Old Stock paf. Bass and mids. Fat round highs from A2. Old bluesy paf. Sometimes too mellow on top.
Pearly Gates - PAF with a bit of attitude. Upper mid spike that cuts, yet round on top from A2. Sometimes considered to have a bit of hair/fizz underneath for uber-clean work, and a bit harsh on the high end in the bride.
Seths - Super mellow but super balanced old paf. The ultimate classic tone, if maybe a bit mild.

The PG is the PAF I think of when I think of a great old Gibson PAF. And so does Billy Gibbons.

And let's don't rule out the Screamin' Demon at ~10k, or a Custom-5....both very PAF style. But also a bit more oomph than the typical PAF's. Or even think about the Jazz. That's a really modern, but PAF pup to me.

what is the guitar full of or missing, and what do you need from the pup specifically?
 
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Re: PAFish Seymour Duncan which one?

I have tried the A2, PG, and Seths.

In order of preference, I like the Seth, the 59 is a close second, the A2, then the PG.
 
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Aceman said:
You are giving me magnet types and DC resistance. Those are nice, but they don't give me specific tones you seek. Magnets have general tones, and DC is not equal to output. The difference between 7.5, 7.7, and 8.3 is pretty much nothing to me in practical terms - but the wind on the pups could be a HUGE difference in tone. Not to mention position.

What SOUND are you looking for?

But - from SD....

59 - New Old Stock a5 paf. Bass and Treble. Sometimes too much boom in the bass/neck position.
A2P - Old Old Stock paf. Bass and mids. Fat round highs from A2. Old bluesy paf. Sometimes too mellow on top.
Pearly Gates - PAF with a bit of attitude. Upper mid spike that cuts, yet round on top from A2. Sometimes considered to have a bit of hair/fizz underneath for uber-clean work, and a bit harsh on the high end in the bride.
Seths - Super mellow but super balanced old paf. The ultimate classic tone, if maybe a bit mild.

The PG is the PAF I think of when I think of a great old Gibson PAF. And so does Billy Gibbons.

And let's don't rule out the Screamin' Demon at ~10k, or a Custom-5....both very PAF style. But also a bit more oomph than the typical PAF's. Or even think about the Jazz. That's a really modern, but PAF pup to me.

what is the guitar full of or missing, and what do you need from the pup specifically?
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I wan´t the bridge pickup to drive the amp harder but i don´t wan´t to much bass or low mids, i wan´t upper mids generally.
What i´m mostly missing is a good output from the bridge and i figured i would get a little more than i need but balancing that with the volume knob on the guitar going from clean to overdrive.
The ones i had earlier in my guitar were T-top replicas with a slight modification with missmatched bobbins and not ment to drive the amp that much but remain clean sounding.
The neck was wonderfull at 7,21kOhm and Alnico 5 full size.
The bridge which were at 7,7kOhm and Alnico 5 full size is a great sounding pickup as well and they are low ouput.
But like i said i wan´t more output from the bridge pickup but still with the feel of a pickup that really makes me hear what my fingers are doing.
Hope i make sense:)
 
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Don't buy too much into the A2P being a fat bluesy PAF...its a little leaner than most PAF's and has a nice chime on top...not that it's bright it just has more chime than a real PAF.

Also, i've never rally heard this mid spike in a PG nor have I ever had any issues getting them to be really clean...I hear no fizz in a PG at all...

Part of the issue at hand on a lot of forums like this is you have guys rating which PAF style pickup is closest to a real PAF and manyof them have never been in the same room as a real PAF much less played with one.
 
Re: PAFish Seymour Duncan which one?

the guy who invented fire said:
Don't buy too much into the A2P being a fat bluesy PAF...its a little leaner than most PAF's and has a nice chime on top...not that it's bright it just has more chime than a real PAF.

Also, i've never rally heard this mid spike in a PG nor have I ever had any issues getting them to be really clean...I hear no fizz in a PG at all...

Part of the issue at hand on a lot of forums like this is you have guys rating which PAF style pickup is closest to a real PAF and manyof them have never been in the same room as a real PAF much less played with one.
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Okay then.....

There was a thread just the other day about the A2Pro.
I've never played a real PAF though, so I guess I wouldn't have a clue.
 
Re: PAFish Seymour Duncan which one?

You are way too fascinated with the most basic of technical data.

That's like buying a car by horsepower and expecting it matches speed or acceleration.
 
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The difference between Christian's (TGWIF) Ears and mine represent a very interesting point as well. everybody hears these things differently.

I absolutely believe to my ears, in general, that most PAF's are a generally scooped EQ. What this does in a guitar with some decent mids (like an LP) is give a balanced tone. Not scooped like -20db thrash metal, but not a flat response.

But a little more or less mid and it makes a great difference in how you percieve the sound.

To me -
The 59 is the "most scooped" Lots of highs/lows

The PG has the most mids - but they are in the upper end, which is where it gets a lot of it's "cut" from. Now maybe that is really high end...but since we don't have a line in the sand, hard to say. I will say that to my ears, the fundamental note is always just a little "grainy" or "hairy" or "fizzy" It is not a pristine clean the way a 59 is.

The A2P sounds like the perfect pup for blues. Whatever it is about it it brings out the mids way lower than a PG. The top is very fat, and it has less "cut"

But again - Ohms and mag types don't describe that.
 
Re: PAFish Seymour Duncan which one?

the guy who invented fire said:
Part of the issue at hand on a lot of forums like this is you have guys rating which PAF style pickup is closest to a real PAF and manyof them have never been in the same room as a real PAF much less played with one.
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I don't think that's the issue at all. At least not any more than people get obsessed with a particular year or model of vintage gear and couldn't tell a Vinatge Marshall and 59 LP from a Epiphone through a crate and a DS -1 Eq'd really well.

There was no One PAF. The winding process and mag choice was sio sloppy/random it could have been anything.

The point is, the SD line of "PAF" style moderate output pups covers a variety of these sounds.

The point is tell us what sound you want. And describe it clearly.

Obviously all of the people who describe and agree to the "fizzy" nature of a PG are all wrong, and only TGWIF is correct. I have no doubt that he has been in a room with a "real" PAF.

But I also got cash that says someone could craft a tone with an Ibanez and a POD and in a blind test he couldn't tell reliably which was which.:naughty:
 
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SwedishHumbucker said:
I wan´t the bridge pickup to drive the amp harder but i don´t wan´t to much bass or low mids, i wan´t upper mids generally.
What i´m mostly missing is a good output from the bridge and i figured i would get a little more than i need but balancing that with the volume knob on the guitar going from clean to overdrive.
The ones i had earlier in my guitar were T-top replicas with a slight modification with missmatched bobbins and not ment to drive the amp that much but remain clean sounding.
The neck was wonderfull at 7,21kOhm and Alnico 5 full size.
The bridge which were at 7,7kOhm and Alnico 5 full size is a great sounding pickup as well and they are low ouput.
But like i said i wan´t more output from the bridge pickup but still with the feel of a pickup that really makes me hear what my fingers are doing.
Hope i make sense:)
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Hejsan!

I'd keep the neck p'up (specs are close to a '59n) and try one of those solutions:

# 1: Change the magnet of your bridge p'up putting an A8 bar in and hear the difference... it might be just what the doctor ordered!

or

# 2: Try either a '59b or a PGb but with an AlNiCo 8 magnet.

Even though is not "vintage" specs-wise, AlNiCo 8 will do just what you're asking for, plus giving the p'up a very masculine vocal tone to soaring leads without ever being abnoxious. Plus it'll improve the both-on setting from "good" to "to die for".

Trying is believing!

HTH,
 
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LtKojak said:
I know. IT WAS A TYPO! :banghead:

Ka' di sige "Rød Grød med Fløde"? :naughty:

I've lived in Denmark for a long time.
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Ja, jag kan säga Rod Grod med Flode:naughty: don´t have that letter on my keyboard...
Hope you understand the Swedish:)
 
Re: PAFish Seymour Duncan which one?

A couple of combination's that I like are: The JazzN & 59B. I also like the AII pros's. As much as others have said they are not a Paf.... I feel they are. They have more warmth then Antiquities and they have a very full rounded sound. They respond very well to attack & the tone & volume controls can give you a lot of combination's of sound.

I have the JazzN & 59B in a thinline Tele that is made from Mahogony with a maple cap. It gives me tones that are very 335ish vrs a Tele. This guitar is also coil tapped. Very versatile guitar.

I originally had a pair of 59's in a Guild Bluesbird, but changed them out to a pair of Burstbucker Pros. For me; in this guitar it was a huge improvement.
 
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Pearly Gates set and a good amp.... it's like magic!
 
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