Parrallel Axis design for regular 50mm spacing???

[Dark Order Lord]

As having used a PATB2b on my black V for my last album, my V has a tunomatic bridge, and I know the PATB2b is not designed for tunomatic bridge/ string thru guitar, but the thing has such awesome sustain and growl. I often wondered, aside from the custom shop, why can't the parrallel axis design be made for hard tailed guitars with 50mm bridges???? The parrallel axis design is very much superior than the regular paf design in regards to string drag.....

What say you????????

 

[LtKojak]

Re: Parrallel Axis design for regular 50mm spacing???

As having used a PATB2b on my black V for my last album, my V has a tunomatic bridge,

Measure the string spread at the bridge: are you SURE is only 50mm? Most TOMs are 52.5mmm, specially on imports.

HTH,

 

[Artie]

Re: Parrallel Axis design for regular 50mm spacing???

This has been brought up before, and I agree. And, as I said before, I know it's just cosmetic, but sometimes, we care about that stuff.

I imagine it may be cost prohibitive, because they may not sell that well, and they require custom bobbins. But lets thank Seymour that they make them. Killer pups. Mine are in an EPI LP Custom. (PATB-1n/PATB-3b)

 

[frankfalbo]

Re: Parrallel Axis design for regular 50mm spacing???

Well, in this case it is a little more than cosmetic, because ideally the string would be vibrating between the two poles' field. They are both north or south, so at the top of the pickup you have two poles opposing one another. The pickup works fine if it's not aligned, but in my opinion it works better if it is aligned.

So I'll bet you could order a PATB bridge pickup wound on the PATB neck pickup bobbins. The neck pickup pole spacing is narrower, as well as the PATB Stack.

 

[allstarrme]

Re: Parrallel Axis design for regular 50mm spacing???

A cheaper alternative than a custom pickup would be find a wider tuneomatic bridge that fits the spacing better.

 

[Edgecrusher]

Re: Parrallel Axis design for regular 50mm spacing???

A cheaper alternative than a custom pickup would be find a wider tuneomatic bridge that fits the spacing better.

Which will require moving the post holes.... or even worse they overlap and now you have to fill and redrill.

 

[Artie]

Re: Parrallel Axis design for regular 50mm spacing???

Well, in this case it is a little more than cosmetic, because ideally the string would be vibrating between the two poles' field. They are both north or south, so at the top of the pickup you have two poles opposing one another. The pickup works fine if it's not aligned, but in my opinion it works better if it is aligned.

So I'll bet you could order a PATB bridge pickup wound on the PATB neck pickup bobbins. The neck pickup pole spacing is narrower, as well as the PATB Stack.

I was just about to argue with you on that one because SD lists all the dimensions for the PATB series, (including the single), as being the same: 2.75"
But before I said anything, I measured my own set. Dang if you aren't correct. The neck PATB-1 has exactly the proper spacing for the bridge position.

Sure would be nice to get a neck-dimension PATB-3. Especially since I know they make the bobbins now.

Artie

 

[Dark Order Lord]

Re: Parrallel Axis design for regular 50mm spacing???

Well, in this case it is a little more than cosmetic, because ideally the string would be vibrating between the two poles' field. They are both north or south, so at the top of the pickup you have two poles opposing one another. The pickup works fine if it's not aligned, but in my opinion it works better if it is aligned.

So I'll bet you could order a PATB bridge pickup wound on the PATB neck pickup bobbins. The neck pickup pole spacing is narrower, as well as the PATB Stack.

Well said.....


Now, about the Neck PATB.... really? Then it is possible.................custom shop

 

[Dark Order Lord]

Re: Parrallel Axis design for regular 50mm spacing???

A cheaper alternative than a custom pickup would be find a wider tuneomatic bridge that fits the spacing better.

No such thing, then it wouldn't be a Tunomatic

 

[dominus]

Re: Parrallel Axis design for regular 50mm spacing???

No such thing, then it wouldn't be a Tunomatic

I'm betting *your* Tune-O-Matic is F-Spaced.

 

[frankfalbo]

Re: Parrallel Axis design for regular 50mm spacing???

Guys, tune-o-matic is a style. There are different string spacings, and the post holes are in the same spot. (Just like the mounting legs on a humbucker don't get wider for a Trembucker)
There are t-o-m's with no slots so you can make your own spacing. Gibson widened their bridge humbucker spacing many years ago.

I would assume getting one of the PATB bridge models made on the neck bobbins would be Shop Floor Custom, not Custom Shop, but only if you wanted to order other winds on the PATB bobbins it would go to the Custom Shop.

 

[LtKojak]

Re: Parrallel Axis design for regular 50mm spacing???

I'm betting *your* Tune-O-Matic is F-Spaced.

I've already told him to measure his TOM, he just ignored me. :dunno:

 

[Artie]

Re: Parrallel Axis design for regular 50mm spacing???

This forum has "created" a few cool pups. C5, Brobucker, Alt-8, etc. I believe we should be able to create the PATB-X series in both spacings. Maybe.

 

[Rockstar216]

Re: Parrallel Axis design for regular 50mm spacing???

I think the whole PATB series needs to be revamped and marketed for the modern market. I really want to try the PATB-1 and 3 soon.

 

[Artie]

Re: Parrallel Axis design for regular 50mm spacing???

I think the whole PATB series needs to be revamped and marketed for the modern market. I really want to try the PATB-1 and 3 soon.

You don't need to wait for the "modern market". They're available now. They work.

Artie

(I'm only complaining about cosmetics. Not sound.)

 

[allstarrme]

Re: Parrallel Axis design for regular 50mm spacing???

No such thing, then it wouldn't be a Tunomatic

Most of the tone pros replacement tunomatics are 52mm as are the gotoh's.

Or just get new saddles and have the slots made further out.

 

[Dark Order Lord]

Re: Parrallel Axis design for regular 50mm spacing???

I'm betting *your* Tune-O-Matic is F-Spaced.

Nooooooooooo:smash:

 

[Dark Order Lord]

Re: Parrallel Axis design for regular 50mm spacing???

Most of the tone pros replacement tunomatics are 52mm as are the gotoh's.

Or just get new saddles and have the slots made further out.

It typical Gibson Nashville tunomatic, and gotohs suck with tone, I hate them.

 

[dominus]

Re: Parrallel Axis design for regular 50mm spacing???

Nooooooooooo:smash:

Take a pic of it with a TB/F spaced pickup then and prove us wrong.

I've had tons of tune-o-matic bridges here and every single one of them has been wider spaced.

 

[Gibson 1964]

Re: Parrallel Axis design for regular 50mm spacing???

Take a pic of it with a TB/F spaced pickup then and prove us wrong.

I've had tons of tune-o-matic bridges here and every single one of them has been wider spaced.

I have a couple that are not, but... they are pre 1985. Gibson 1964, 1977, 1981, 1984 all measured in right around the 50mm mark. (usually around 51mm which puts the bridge pickup string spacing at almost exactly 50mm.) I have had stuff from the 90s and the tunomatics seemingly got wider slightly sometime after1985. I believe my 1984 custom has a different bridge with wider spacing now as the original corroded so badly it was caving in. I never measured the replacement.