Pedal that will make a british voiced amp sound american?

Nightburst

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Does such a thing even exist?
I'm looking for a good quality (overdrive?) pedal that will give me different tonal options than the usual Tube-screamer type of circuits. There are so many pedals out there, I don't even know where to start looking.
I have only one rule: no added noise to the circuit so I prefer something that does not hiss (too much) when switched on and also true bypass. Ok, thats 2 rules lol ::knockedou
 
Re: Pedal that will make a british voiced amp sound american?

What amp? Are you looking for the clean or driven American amp tone? A lot of the tone we think of as "American" is the scooped Blackface tone. An EQ in the loop can sometimes give you enough of the flavor to do. If you are looking for the more driven tones, check out the Wampler Black 65 and Tweed 57.
 
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Yup, I was thinking EQ as well.

If by Brit you mean Marshall, then it's about scooping mids, with a lean towards scooping the lower mids.

If it's a Vox AC circuit, then it's a little more complex, in that the Vox is scooped already, but the scoop is at a slightly higher frequency, so you need to lift that while cutting the lower mids.

There's a brilliant Tone Stack Calculator (visualizer) at

http://duncanamps.com/tsc/index.html

That will show you the curves nicely.

Final thought, trust your ears.


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Re: Pedal that will make a british voiced amp sound american?

Set the amp for clean and somewhat flat, basically using it as a P.A., then put a SansAmp PSA-1 or equivalent in front of it.
 
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I was gonna say Wampler Black 65 as well. It's a really nice sounding pedal, except for the fact that it has a certain "sag" to it that I just couldn't deal with.
 
Re: Pedal that will make a british voiced amp sound american?

There's more to an amp voicing than the B/M/T EQ, but, yeah, if you want to scoop mids, the Boss OD-1X may be a good candidate. Its default settings at 12 noon yield a scooped sound.

You also may want to try the Fender amp-flavored pedals from Boss into the clean channel of your British amp.
 
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The Radial Tonebone Classic gives you an "American-voiced" overdrive. Conversely, the Hot British into a Fender BF amp gives it a very Marshall tonality.

Bill
 
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Nobels ODR1/Visual Sound Open Road/Boss OD3

While not true bypass these sound good/great. Get a switcher/true bypass looper thing so you don't miss out some great sounding stuff that isn't true bypass, like e.g. klon!
 
Re: Pedal that will make a british voiced amp sound american?

Are old silverface Fenders hard to get where you live? I'd just buy a Twin or Bassman and be done with it.
 
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I don't know what you mean by "American" amp. As others have stated, Mesa makes a lot of pedals. Boss also makes an '63 and '65 Fender pedal. When using it, you would have to set your amp very neutral. With some amps, there is no way in hell they would ever sound like a classic Fender. That Fender glassiness is easy to dial out but not that easy to dial in. It really depends on which "Brittish" amp you are using. The DSL series has what they call "Nashville Clean" so that would be a good platfom for a Fender Pedal. If the "American" tone you are looking for is Peavey I don't know how to help you.

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Thanks for the suggestions guys!
I have ordered a Harley Benton California Truetone pedal. It's so cheap that it wont matter if it doesn't work out. Perhaps that the Sansamp is better but I refuse to pay over 200 for a freakin' pedal. The Wampler black 65 sounds really good from what I have seen but its not for sale anymore? I'll check out the tone stack calculator too, might be a good tool for getting a visual of tones that I like.
 
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I think the Harley Benton and Joyo are the same pedals
I have the American and British versions from Joyo

these can be run straight into a PA or into the FX return on your amp
 
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Just keep in mind terms like "American" are marketing terms not technical terms. Nashville, California, Brittish, Plaid are all terms used by manufacturers to let us know they are trying to lift a competitor's tone while staying out of court. Those descriptors can mean totally different terms to different manufacturers. We are lead to think "American" means Fender and "California" refers to Mesa Boogie. However, Fenders were manufactured in California long before Mesa Boogie existed. As long as you are not putting a product on the market, I would stick to brand names as descriptors when talking with other musicians. You will be more likely to get the correct answer you are looking for.
 
Re: Pedal that will make a british voiced amp sound american?

Nightburst said:
Thanks for the suggestions guys!
I have ordered a Harley Benton California Truetone pedal. It's so cheap that it wont matter if it doesn't work out. Perhaps that the Sansamp is better but I refuse to pay over 200 for a freakin' pedal. The Wampler black 65 sounds really good from what I have seen but its not for sale anymore? I'll check out the tone stack calculator too, might be a good tool for getting a visual of tones that I like.
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The Harley Benton's are JOYO's and they sound great...BUT, you're not going to like the hiss that all of this series (which are clones of the Tech 21 series) have. I run a noise gate with them which helps considerably. A cheap gate that does the job for me is the Behringer NR300. It's made of plastic so it can't be abused, but I've had no problem with it since I have it on a pedal board with the JOYO amp emulation pedals and it is always "on" and doesn't get stomped very often.
 
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Yeah, I cancelled the order after hearing from multiple sources that the Harley Benton/Joyo pedals are noisy.
I think that british and american are pretty good ballpark descriptions for a type of voicing of an amp.
Just to clarify, I'm looking for a pedal of some sort that will change the voicing/contour/tonality of the amp. Kind of what the ISF knob does on blackstars. It's not the same as EQ.
 
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Re: Pedal that will make a british voiced amp sound american?

I've always associated terms "American" and "British" voicing with tubes -> American: 6L6/6V6 British: EL34/EL84

After all, it's one thing that verý clearly differentiates amps, and you can't really copy that piece of amps tone in any other way.

I also don't think you can get "British" amp to sound "American" in any practical way. But if some figures out some cheap way to do it, I'd be very interested about it too!

(Other way around would be easier, as EL amps tend to be more contained and compressed sounding. I think you could get close with "American" voiced amp + overdrive/booster + compressor...)
 
Re: Pedal that will make a british voiced amp sound american?

There are several pedals other than the HB/JOYO's that give a fendery sound with very little noise:
Boss FDR-1 (mentioned above)
Boss FBM-1 (Bassman sound)
Wampler Tweed 57
Wampler Black 65
Some of these are discontinued, so you would have to look for used (ebay, Reverb, Amazon, etc.) or perhaps there are NOS if you do a search.
For best results, the amp should be set clean w/ neutral EQ.
 
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PicoRiveraTele said:
Joyo California for Mesa https://www.cheaperpedals.com/products/joyo-jf-15-california-sound-pedal or the Joyo American for Fender https://www.cheaperpedals.com/collections/amp-sims/products/joyo-american-sound-jf-14-pedal I love them.

If you're having trouble with noise, you might need power conditioner, or use 9v batteries.
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These (and the European counterpart Harley Benson) were discussed above. I've owned 4 of them (still have 3). The sound is great BUT they are all noisy and so are the Tech 21 pedals from which they are cloned. This is a well known fact widely documented and it isn't dirty power. A noise gate is necessary to eliminate the hiss. The greater the drive and/or voice (or character), the louder the hiss. It is an intrinsic part of the design, unfortunately.
 
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