Pedals Damaging Other Pedals?

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strat_master

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Hi Guys,

I was reading the manuals thats came with my boss pedals and it said do not use them with any other expression pedal except for the specifieif EV-5(i could be wrong) pedal made by boss. USe of any other expression pedal may result in malfunction or damaging of the pedal. Is this true? Iknow boss said not to use any otehr adaptor for thier pedals, which seemed to be a lie. Does this second warning hold any merit? Or is it another way for BOSS to make cash? I was thinking about adding some sort of wah pedal to my effects list, but i dont want to damage my ds-1 and dd-6! Will this cause any problems?

-Jason
 
Re: Pedals Damaging Other Pedals?

Boss is just tryin' to make money bro.

Rock On!
 
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Kac said:
Boss is just tryin' to make money bro.

Rock On!
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yeah but its a tradeoff
follow the instructions and you spend more money
dont follow the instrutions you void any kind of warrenty that might be in effect for the product.
kinda one of those do at your own risk type things
 
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As if Boss would ever find out you were using it with a pedal on the 'dont use' list...Boss is just trying to make you buy more Boss products...Just like Fender suggests you use Fender strings, it's so Fender makes more and more money...
 
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fuzzyratfarts said:
As if Boss would ever find out you were using it with a pedal on the 'dont use' list...Boss is just trying to make you buy more Boss products...Just like Fender suggests you use Fender strings, it's so Fender makes more and more money...
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Again though you need to remember in the unlikely event the other product screws something up your screwed
 
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Ever seen this before:

"only use this product with 9V "INSERTBRANDNAMEHERE" trasformer"

:laugh2:
 
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fuzzyratfarts said:
As if Boss would ever find out you were using it with a pedal on the 'dont use' list...Boss is just trying to make you buy more Boss products...Just like Fender suggests you use Fender strings, it's so Fender makes more and more money...
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Hey! Fender strings are cheaper than ernie's balls, DR's, Everly's and all those other fancy pants string brands and they sound just as good (IMO)and last just as long(# of hours before the strings turn to stiff black rods of sweat and crud during a gig or practice). The whole string thing is a gimmick where all the companies make more or less the same product then each one tries to make up a special feature like-we wind our E, A and D strings with nickel like they're supposed to! :)

Just reminding the dudes at the forum to keep their BS detectors activated for stuff like that. :beerchug:
 
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Kev said:
Ever seen this before:

"only use this product with 9V "INSERTBRANDNAMEHERE" trasformer"

:laugh2:
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"...cause our volts have better tone than 'INSERT COMPETITOR' 's transformers!"
 
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Quencho092 said:
Hey! Fender strings are cheaper than ernie's balls, DR's, Everly's and all those other fancy pants string brands and they sound just as good (IMO)and last just as long(# of hours before the strings turn to stiff black rods of sweat and crud during a gig or practice). The whole string thing is a gimmick where all the companies make more or less the same product then each one tries to make up a special feature like-we wind our E, A and D strings with nickel like they're supposed to! :)

Just reminding the dudes at the forum to keep their BS detectors activated for stuff like that. :beerchug:
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Gibson Brite Wires are probably the cheapest strings I've ever seen, but I actually kinda liked them. I found them better than Ernie Ball strings, but that's not saying much.
 
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Eh, I dunno bout that...Every time I've used fender strings they've seemed to wear out a hell of a lot faster. Ernie balls seem to be a tad bit darker than D'addario XL's, and can be a bit stiffer. There's always subtle differences due to manufacturing techniques and different suppliers for their materials.

Boss is sayin that for two reasons: Some people who arent too experienced with electronics might decide to use, say, a telephone adapter to power their pedals.

Second reason, of course, is to make money. If you're afraid that anything but a boss will **** up your pedals, you're more likey to buy boss accessories.

Quencho092 said:
Hey! Fender strings are cheaper than ernie's balls, DR's, Everly's and all those other fancy pants string brands and they sound just as good (IMO)and last just as long(# of hours before the strings turn to stiff black rods of sweat and crud during a gig or practice). The whole string thing is a gimmick where all the companies make more or less the same product then each one tries to make up a special feature like-we wind our E, A and D strings with nickel like they're supposed to! :)

Just reminding the dudes at the forum to keep their BS detectors activated for stuff like that. :beerchug:
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strat_master said:
Hi Guys,

I was reading the manuals thats came with my boss pedals and it said do not use them with any other expression pedal except for the specifieif EV-5(i could be wrong) pedal made by boss. USe of any other expression pedal may result in malfunction or damaging of the pedal. Is this true? Iknow boss said not to use any otehr adaptor for thier pedals, which seemed to be a lie. Does this second warning hold any merit? Or is it another way for BOSS to make cash? I was thinking about adding some sort of wah pedal to my effects list, but i dont want to damage my ds-1 and dd-6! Will this cause any problems?

-Jason
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What everyone is overlooking is the term "expression pedal"
Sure, you can add a wah or any other effect pedal in the signal chain. Boss is recommending that you do not use anything except a EV-5 to control the expression feature available on some Boss effects.

Addtion note: There isn't much to the pedal and should be simple to build, but if you look at the schematic, the input uses a stereo jack (not a standard mono guitar jack)
http://www.worldofschmitt.com/projects/roland_ev5/ev-5-schematics.html
 
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Chaos said:
What everyone is overlooking is the term "expression pedal"
Sure, you can add a wah or any other effect pedal in the signal chain. Boss is recommending that you do not use anything except a EV-5 to control the expression feature available on some Boss effects.

Addtion note: There isn't much to the pedal and should be simple to build, but if you look at the schematic, the input uses a stereo jack (not a standard mono guitar jack)
http://www.worldofschmitt.com/projects/roland_ev5/ev-5-schematics.html
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Dead-on.

Boss' technology in the pedals and how it is controlled by an external source is proprietary. They design the expression pedals to work specifically with that unit. Unless some other company is making the pedal for the express purpose of integrating with Boss' proprietary needs then I would say that Boss' warning is certainly a reasonable one to make.
 
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Yeah, that's it. Much like my channel switch pedal that the shop threw in for free. To help close the sale, they said "we'll throw in the channel switch pedal free" When i saw it, i realised it was a "generic" one. It does not work properly (go to tap twice). In the manual, Roland (aka Boss) said only to use the proper one. Now some folks might think that it's the silly amp at fault. So that makes the amp look bad, but actually it's me not using the correct add-on product.

I'd imagine that something like an expression pedal, it's best to use the correct part. Much like car parts...
 
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so a wah pedal is not an expression pedal? Whatd oes the ev-5 expression pedal even do then? I am a bit confused now. Thus far tell me if im right. A wah pedal in the effects chain before my pedals will be ok?
 
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strat_master said:
so a wah pedal is not an expression pedal? Whatd oes the ev-5 expression pedal even do then? I am a bit confused now. Thus far tell me if im right. A wah pedal in the effects chain before my pedals will be ok?
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Yes, the Wah pedal will not do any harm, and the warning is not even directed towards the wah. It means to only use BOSS expression pedals, as in a an expression pedal you can hook up to one of your BOSS pedals to control the settings. For example, say they had a phaser that allowed you to hook up an expression pedal to control how fast the effect is, in that case you would need the BOSS expression pedal(well, any one SHOULD do, but as said before, if something goes wrong and they magically figure it out that you used something different, well, ya, bye bye warrenty).

So, hook up the wah and enjoy.
 
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Martin Darcos are the cheapest strings ive seen, and to tell you the truth they arent half bad. They just dont last as long as a more expensive set of Daddarios.
 
Re: Pedals Damaging Other Pedals?

strat_master said:
so a wah pedal is not an expression pedal? Whatd oes the ev-5 expression pedal even do then? I am a bit confused now. Thus far tell me if im right. A wah pedal in the effects chain before my pedals will be ok?
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A wah is an effect pedal.

An expression pedal is sorta like a foot-controler for a function that would be inconvenient / hard to use if the pedal function was controlled by a knob.
Like Magnotta said, usually used to control rate or speed (phase shifters, delays, etc) while your playing.
For examples see:
http://www.music123.com/Boss-PH3-Phase-Shifter-i42649.music
http://www.music123.com/Boss-PS5-Super-Shifter-i42479.music

An effects pedal that uses an expression pedal will have a separate jack (usually marked 'exp' for expression) Don't plug anything else into this jack.

Your effects pedals will connect to each other through the input / output jacks.
 
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