Phat Staples - Initial Impressions...

pzaxtl

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Got the pups yesterday and installed them last night. Played with them last night and today. Before I get to my impressions of their tonal qualities, there's a couple pointers for those that have yet to receive/install them.

First off, the magnets on these suckers are quite strong. After I installed them and set the pup height, I noticed I had fret buzz everywhere on the bottom 3 strings. Previously, this guitar had an immaculate setup, so I knew it couldn't be off just from swapping out the pickups. The string pull is incredible, much stronger than any humbucker I've ever used (I don't use really hot pups or ceramics.) I probably still don't have the height dialed in correctly but it's close.

It took me a moment to figure out the wiring -- the included HB wiring schematic didn't help. I wasn't sure if the white or black wires were V+ or V- so I guessed that white was V- and wired accordingly (black to switch, white and bare to ground). Mine were installed in a double cut tele with the standard 3-way blade type switch. Still don't know which is which but everything works and, with guitars, if it works it's most likely correct.

The cleans are without a doubt some of the best I've heard. Very articulate, very clear and precise. If you like warmer pickups you probably won't like these because they're pretty bright, almost Tele-ish. Oh, and did I mention punchy? If you're a sloppy player (like me) these pickups will cause you a little aggravation because everything comes through with great clarity. Clean, clear, snappy and loud -- great clean tones!

Overdriven... I haven't decided yet. I like them overdriven, but I haven't fallen in love with their tone when they have a little dirt on them. Generally speaking, I prefer HB's for dirty tones because of the greater harmonic complexity you get with HB's. Most likely, I'll play these enough that my ear will adapt and they'll probably be a favorite for overdriven tones. Either way, clean or dirty, these babies have incredible articulation.
 
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Anybody else that has them, feel free to chime in with your impressions as well.
 
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I had to pass the deal for these but I'm starting to feel like they would've been my kind of neck pick-up... thanks for sharing your first impressions bro.
 
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Did you have to route the pickup cavity deeper at all in either the neck or bridge?
 
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Did you have to route the pickup cavity deeper at all in either the neck or bridge?

No, the routes were deep enough, not by much, but deep enough. However, the body is my own build and if I remember correctly, I routed them 1/8" deeper when I built it. I *think* a standard 7/8" humbucker route will accomodate them once they're installed and raised to the correct height.
 
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so they're 2 conductor cables.
i'd have wired it like that, with black as hot and grounding white

can't wait for mine to arrive... my LP's long-tenon so i'm really hoping there's going to be enough clearance... i'll be sanding, if there's an issue
 
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so they're 2 conductor cables.
i'd have wired it like that, with black as hot and grounding white

can't wait for mine to arrive... my LP's long-tenon so i'm really hoping there's going to be enough clearance... i'll be sanding, if there's an issue

When you mount them in the pickup rings before attaching the rings to the guitar, mount them about 2-3 times higher than you normally would. Then, after the pickup rings are attached to the guitar, lower them to the height you prefer. That should help with the install. Not saying that the pickup routes will be deep enough, but it'll make the install a little easier.

BTW, you're really gonna love the cleans from these pups. Absolutely gorgeous. I played around with them today using various effects. A phaser, compressor and envelope filter produced the most glorious tones!
 
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Good advice about mounting them in the rings and raising the height of them before installing into the guitar. Keeping my fingers crossed they will mount easily in my LP Studio neck.
 
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What kind of mags do they come with? Thanx, for sharing your thoughts on the phat staple.
 
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When you mount them in the pickup rings before attaching the rings to the guitar, mount them about 2-3 times higher than you normally would. Then, after the pickup rings are attached to the guitar, lower them to the height you prefer. That should help with the install. Not saying that the pickup routes will be deep enough, but it'll make the install a little easier.

BTW, you're really gonna love the cleans from these pups. Absolutely gorgeous. I played around with them today using various effects. A phaser, compressor and envelope filter produced the most glorious tones!

i'll keep that in mind man, thanks
:beerchug:
 
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there is going to be alot of string pull, just like a fender pup but with bigger magnets
 
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I always wonderd how a Phat Cat(b) will sound wa some A2 mag neck humbucker, you know, kinda like a '72 Tele custom pu-config.
Any ideas guys ?


James
 
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Most of the time it doesn't matter how you wire a 2-conductor pickup that has a bare/separate ground, as long as all other pickups in the guitar are also wired accordingly. If you had wired the bridge black as hot and the neck black as ground, then you'd get an out-of-phase thing when both were on. If this was a problem, you'd simply swap one or the other so they both matched.

I think the included diagram may have assumed you knew that, hence it's not clear on it.
 
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so they're 2 conductor cables.
i'd have wired it like that, with black as hot and grounding white

can't wait for mine to arrive... my LP's long-tenon so i'm really hoping there's going to be enough clearance... i'll be sanding, if there's an issue

I called and was told Black is Hot

Then got a message saying White is Hot.

I figured that since it's only a two wire + plus ground it does not really matter.

So, I connected them using White as Hot.


SD - Needs to revise the wiring diagrams, both on the web and printed versions for us less knowledgeable folks...
 
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Generally speaking, I prefer HB's for dirty tones because of the greater harmonic complexity you get with HB's.

That really doesn't have to do with the two-coil aspect of humbuckers. You'll find that a P90 fills in those "voids" that Fender style pickups leave and that screws with many forms of overdriven sounds as well as a PAF.

The difference here is the magnet setup.

Fender-style pickups, including the large humbuckers, use magnet rods. The rods are the magnets, then sit inside the coils and the magnets directly, without any help, induct the current in the coils.

PAFs and P-90s have the magnets outside the coils doing nothing with the current. Inside the coils you have passive polepieces. The passive polepieces get magnetized on the fly by the magnet on the bottom and the field from the passive polepieces inside the coils induces the current.

The huge difference here is that the PAF/P90 style setup doesn't have a constant field for the polepieces. If you want to put it that way, the strings constantly put the polepiece's field out of whack. Or think of it as the string on one hand and the magnet on the other hand starting a fight about what state the passive polepieces are in. This smoothens out the sound considerably as the magnetic field that induces the current in the end is just not quick enough to really do that the strings do. Think of it like a soft glow filter in a photoshopped picture.

In a Fender-style pickup the field is pretty much constant and there is no moderation from magnetically wobbly fields anywhere. No photoshopping of your mugshot here. This also is one of the reasons why bad play is more audible.

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Phat Staples are Fender-style. That's why they don't sound anywhere close to P90s or Phat Cats.

The Phat Staple with it's much longer magnets (twice as long as in a Strat?) and the fact that you often put them in a Les Paul makes them sound nothing like Fender style pickups either. The longer magnets make for a wider field and that picks up a larger part of the low frequency string vibrations, so it is a lot fuller. But still, no soft glow filling the voids here, so fuzzy sounds become real fuzzy.

Interesting about the string pull and the buzz. I noticed my Burny LPC buzzes heavily on the low E string but attributed it to the fact that I haven't fretleveled it yet. I don't remember whether it buzzed the same way with PAFs.
 
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