Pickup Swaps not Huge Change in Recording Chain

WyrmCracker

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Just wanted to throw this out there. . .

All of the playing I do anymore is through a miced speaker in an isolation booth. THe amp is cranked. I listen through my studio monitors and evaluate tonal changes relative to the recorded tone with the amp operating at ideal volume.

Over the past 20 years, I have tried alot of pickups, and evaluated the tone by the in-room sound, mostly at practice volume.

My latest acquisition, a Duncan Full Shred, I am enjoying very much. But all the pickup swaps I have done since switching to the iso setup has made me realize. . .

Microphone type, placement, and **speaker type** make a much bigger difference in tone, detail, and feel. Of course the amp makes a huge difference.

EQ differences in the pickups are nullified (or compensated by) the Amps EQ, such that its almost impossible to discern a difference in pickup tone. The output of the pickup is the thing that makes the most difference. Hot pickups are tighter, lower output ones are more open. They have a differnt feel and playing dynamics, but again, when listening through the whole recording chain, less than you would think.

The output level of the amp has a much bigger efffect on tone than the pickups. Playing cranked vs. medium vs. low level has a huge effect on the recorded tone. As does distance from the speaker.

Playing in room, the effect of a pickup swap seems pretty big, but I guarantee the effect is mostly lost on the audience or recording.

In the grand scheme of things, pickups are pretty close to the bottom in the effect they have.

Speaker swaps are probably where I will be spending most of my tweak money in the future.

Not to diss pickup swaps entirely. . . they do make a difference. . .But I think speakers are the bigger difference.
 
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I also do alot of recording through a Marshall half stack cranked to 10. And I do agree to a certain extent. But when I changed the full shred to dimebucker in my paul I did noticed quite a difference in recorded sound (in a mix)

Speakers and amp make obviously an even bigger difference, but to my ears the pickups are still quite a big part of the final product.
 
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I also do alot of recording through a Marshall half stack cranked to 10. And I do agree to a certain extent. But when I changed the full shred to dimebucker in my paul I did noticed quite a difference in recorded sound (in a mix)

Speakers and amp make obviously an even bigger difference, but to my ears the pickups are still quite a big part of the final product.

Going from one end of the spectrum to another will yield a difference, but pickups that are "close" in output level are hard to tell apart, even if the EQ is differnt or there is a differnt mag type.
 
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Just wanted to throw this out there. . .

All of the playing I do anymore is through a miced speaker in an isolation booth. THe amp is cranked. I listen through my studio monitors and evaluate tonal changes relative to the recorded tone with the amp operating at ideal volume.

Over the past 20 years, I have tried alot of pickups, and evaluated the tone by the in-room sound, mostly at practice volume.

My latest acquisition, a Duncan Full Shred, I am enjoying very much. But all the pickup swaps I have done since switching to the iso setup has made me realize. . .

Microphone type, placement, and **speaker type** make a much bigger difference in tone, detail, and feel. Of course the amp makes a huge difference.

EQ differences in the pickups are nullified (or compensated by) the Amps EQ, such that its almost impossible to discern a difference in pickup tone. The output of the pickup is the thing that makes the most difference. Hot pickups are tighter, lower output ones are more open. They have a differnt feel and playing dynamics, but again, when listening through the whole recording chain, less than you would think.

The output level of the amp has a much bigger efffect on tone than the pickups. Playing cranked vs. medium vs. low level has a huge effect on the recorded tone. As does distance from the speaker.

Playing in room, the effect of a pickup swap seems pretty big, but I guarantee the effect is mostly lost on the audience or recording.

In the grand scheme of things, pickups are pretty close to the bottom in the effect they have.

Speaker swaps are probably where I will be spending most of my tweak money in the future.

Not to diss pickup swaps entirely. . . they do make a difference. . .But I think speakers are the bigger difference.

I agree 100% that the pickups are not the most important part of someone´s tone. :beerchug:

They are however a crucial element, becasue what they don´t pick up can´t be amplified, meaning a cheapazz pickup that only "captures" half of the details will also only give you half the details to work with later. ;)
 
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I agree. And I also think the tone of any pickup is somewhat nullified as soon as you plug it into an overdrive pedal and maybe completely nullified when you really crank up the distortion. The more the distortion the pedal adds, the more you lose of the tone of the pickup until eventually it's 100% lost.

When I started scaling down my gear collection and selling off my guitars and amps I sold most of my guitars - not most my amps and speakers.

I sold all of my big amps (over 40 watts) and kept my smaller tweed and blackface Fenders and a variety of vintage Jensen and Celestion speakers, including some in speaker cabs.

I truly think all any of us really need is a couple of great guitars with single coils (maybe one Strat and one Tele) and a great guitar with humbuckers (in my case, my ES-335) and then a small selection of small amps and speakers.

That gets me a wider variety of tones than a jillion guitars with different pickups through one amp.
 
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Pickup to pickup changes can be small, but there's a definite difference in imported stock pickups and third party replacements, as well as matching the replacement pickup with the body wood. That's the first part of the chain.
 
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I didn't think it was any big secret that pickups are but a small part of the tone chain. The amplifier and speakers play equally large roles in any player's tone. Pickup swaps exist because they make enough of a difference. The pickups are the beginning of the electrical tone path... ****-in equals ****-out.
 
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What about a modeler? :D

Not my style. :) No Synthe-Tone for me. Besides, I'm not into effects. The music I love doesn't need them.
 
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I think the fine details do get watered down or lost as we move from quiet home practice to distorion and cranking the amp at jams, rehearsals and gigs, as some of you guys have said, but personally i also feel this way :

If i am hearing my guitars sounding a certain way at home, with all the little nuances that i KNOW will be lost on a gig and at least reduced in recording, I am still very happy....and being happy with what i hear makes me play better. If i spend $xxx on a set of expensive pickups and it ends up that no-one else but me hears an improvement, it's still worth it to me because i like how i can sound so i want to play better.
 
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