Pinch harmonics and actives?
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Cory_Dylan
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Re: Pinch harmonics and actives?
I know what you mean, and jolly is right. but if your wonderin why zakks harmonics squeal the way they do (correct me if i'm wrong) but that has something to do with a wah pedal. if you own a wah pedal mess around with some really high gain leads and pinch harmonics in the higher frequencies, you'll see what i mean. it'll hurt your ears
I know what you mean, and jolly is right. but if your wonderin why zakks harmonics squeal the way they do (correct me if i'm wrong) but that has something to do with a wah pedal. if you own a wah pedal mess around with some really high gain leads and pinch harmonics in the higher frequencies, you'll see what i mean. it'll hurt your ears
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DeadSkinSlayer3
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It ain't the wah pedal. He double tracks the harmonics on his albums, and live, it's the tubes. Tubes are much easier to get good pinch harmonics from than SS or modeling. Even so, F@ck Zakk, me and Jolly are the PH kings!!!
It ain't the wah pedal. He double tracks the harmonics on his albums, and live, it's the tubes. Tubes are much easier to get good pinch harmonics from than SS or modeling. Even so, F@ck Zakk, me and Jolly are the PH kings!!!
papersoul
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I didn't realize tubes made pinch harmonics easier! Interesting. I use a Line 6 Vetta II head and it's decent with pinch harmonics but could be better. Maybe that's the real answer.
Plus, i have to say Jolly has some clips that make me drull.....amazing pinch harmonics! Good technique!
I also would never think the wah pedal would play a part.
What got me interested was I know a guy who has EMGs in all of his LPs. He plays in a cover band and gets insane pinch harmonics live so I thought it was a combination of technique and EMGs. Most guys will admit that certain pickups do make it easier. Check these clips out...
http://thesamhillband.com/
I didn't realize tubes made pinch harmonics easier! Interesting. I use a Line 6 Vetta II head and it's decent with pinch harmonics but could be better. Maybe that's the real answer.
Plus, i have to say Jolly has some clips that make me drull.....amazing pinch harmonics! Good technique!
I also would never think the wah pedal would play a part.
What got me interested was I know a guy who has EMGs in all of his LPs. He plays in a cover band and gets insane pinch harmonics live so I thought it was a combination of technique and EMGs. Most guys will admit that certain pickups do make it easier. Check these clips out...
http://thesamhillband.com/
Young Angus
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ahem
You can get some of the best pinch harmonics with a modelling setup, and with tubes alike. And just the same you can get tube rigs that dont like pinch hamonics at all if they're not set up properly.
Its in the fingers, and having a setup with really focussed gain helps a lot. But mainly its the player and its the pickups used, ie. a fullsize JB in the bridge will get pinch harmonics happening a lot easier and better sounding than a strat antiquity neck pickup!
But its gotta be in the fingers and technique, or it doesnt matter what you're playing on.
DeadSkinSlayer3 said:
ahem
You can get some of the best pinch harmonics with a modelling setup, and with tubes alike. And just the same you can get tube rigs that dont like pinch hamonics at all if they're not set up properly.
Its in the fingers, and having a setup with really focussed gain helps a lot. But mainly its the player and its the pickups used, ie. a fullsize JB in the bridge will get pinch harmonics happening a lot easier and better sounding than a strat antiquity neck pickup!
But its gotta be in the fingers and technique, or it doesnt matter what you're playing on.
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DeadSkinSlayer3
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OK ok fine...Jolly and I :laugh2: :fing25:
OK ok fine...Jolly and I :laugh2: :fing25:
Metalman_666
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you crazy kids lol I think EMG's make them easier because they're more tuned to higher frequencies.. in my opinion the pup has the most to do with it
you crazy kids lol I think EMG's make them easier because they're more tuned to higher frequencies.. in my opinion the pup has the most to do with it
Cory_Dylan
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No, just Jolly.
just think about it this way, you unplug your guitar and do a pinch harmonic and you can barely hear it. the lower the output of the pickup, the harder it is for it to pick that up. you'll find most high output pickups get better PH, because they're louder. and active pickups are extremely high output...
Need i say more?
DeadSkinSlayer3 said:OK ok fine...Jolly and I :laugh2: :fing25:
No, just Jolly.
just think about it this way, you unplug your guitar and do a pinch harmonic and you can barely hear it. the lower the output of the pickup, the harder it is for it to pick that up. you'll find most high output pickups get better PH, because they're louder. and active pickups are extremely high output...
SD Tone Chart said:
Need i say more?
fenderiarhs
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i don't think pinch harmonics is something only associated with active pickups.Active pickups as a design have certain caracteristics like the fact they are extremely quiet e.t.c but i think passive pickups can do pinch armonics equally well.My JB is perfect for pinch harmonics.
i don't think pinch harmonics is something only associated with active pickups.Active pickups as a design have certain caracteristics like the fact they are extremely quiet e.t.c but i think passive pickups can do pinch armonics equally well.My JB is perfect for pinch harmonics.
Young Angus
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Re: Pinch harmonics and actives?
My JB is perfect for pinch harmonics too, it loves them!
My JB is perfect for pinch harmonics too, it loves them!
Lightning
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Go read "neck pickups with 24 fret guitars" and pinch on a node. You've got to get the harmonic before you can intensify it's tone with distortion or setting up the bias on the amp (like a marshall 900) or running your delay at 80ms single repeat or what ever. EMGs...read an artical on them when the came out that killed my intrest...2k pickup (low z enough to supress hum) with a preamp to get the gain above the out put of a hi z pickup. Sounds like your giving up your tone to get a minature Boss Blues Driver installed in your guitar. I think I'd rather have my pickups and a Keely moded Blues Driver, or just a Blues Driver...there great stock. Someone please kindy enlighten me if this is not the case with the 85 model…I think that’s the one everyone talks about.
Go read "neck pickups with 24 fret guitars" and pinch on a node. You've got to get the harmonic before you can intensify it's tone with distortion or setting up the bias on the amp (like a marshall 900) or running your delay at 80ms single repeat or what ever. EMGs...read an artical on them when the came out that killed my intrest...2k pickup (low z enough to supress hum) with a preamp to get the gain above the out put of a hi z pickup. Sounds like your giving up your tone to get a minature Boss Blues Driver installed in your guitar. I think I'd rather have my pickups and a Keely moded Blues Driver, or just a Blues Driver...there great stock. Someone please kindy enlighten me if this is not the case with the 85 model…I think that’s the one everyone talks about.
Marty Horne
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I've had 2 guitars with EMGs, one with single coils and one with humbuckers and I found the tone of both to be harsh and sterile compared to good passive pickups. I have no problem getting pinch harmonics with either my PRS Cu22 or my McNaught Phoenix.
I've had 2 guitars with EMGs, one with single coils and one with humbuckers and I found the tone of both to be harsh and sterile compared to good passive pickups. I have no problem getting pinch harmonics with either my PRS Cu22 or my McNaught Phoenix.
Cory_Dylan
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Well that explains a lot... pretty interesting. They could at least change the pickup/preamp output ratio a little bit. I could see that being a little bit of a good idea with a single coil... but not a humbucker. I never have problems with noise on a humbucker, the noise single coils have doesn't even bother me that much. Like it matters, you really don't even notice it when your playing anyway... to me it sounds like the makers of EMG were concentrating a little more on noise cancelation and a lot less on tone...Lightning said:
LesStrat
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Pickups really DO matter. My dad used to have a Peavey T-60 that played really well, and sounded good, but the pups were so sterile that you couldn't FORCE harmonics out of it. On the other hand, I remember playing a Yamaha guitar (years ago) that was so lively that I couldn't control the harmonics (maybe I could now, who knows). That thing squealed at the slightest touch.
I also find that bridge pups are better are amplifying harmonics, especially when combined with a compressor and distortion. And if you're into it, Wah helps, too.
Pickups really DO matter. My dad used to have a Peavey T-60 that played really well, and sounded good, but the pups were so sterile that you couldn't FORCE harmonics out of it. On the other hand, I remember playing a Yamaha guitar (years ago) that was so lively that I couldn't control the harmonics (maybe I could now, who knows). That thing squealed at the slightest touch.
I also find that bridge pups are better are amplifying harmonics, especially when combined with a compressor and distortion. And if you're into it, Wah helps, too.
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Yeah, it's in the fingers, but the right tonal emphasis helps it to jump out even more, be it amp, pedals, or pups ... Concerning EMG's I never care for them personally ... the actual idea makes great sense though .... that being that you can wind the pup to get the exact tone (bandwidth) that you want, with the exact string pull you want, and then adjust it's output separately, and make any additional tonal changes you need. Rather than the passive game of compromise of tone, string pull, and output ... as they are all effected when you change one, you chnge the others also. I think EMG's might be great for bass, or for getting a really flat (direct box) type tone.Cory_Dylan said:
