Please recommend neck 'bucker for Screamin' Demon Bridge

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Please recommend a neck pickup that will work well with a Screamin Demon bridge pickup in an HH configuration.

The guitar is a Fender Stratocaster with an alder body, maple neck, rosewood fingerboard, and a vintage-style tremolo with steel block.

This guitar will mostly be used for Rock, so the distorted tone is more important than the clean tone. (I have an SSS Strat for the pretty stuff.) I like to play 70's-80's Gutar Rock: everything from Bad Company to Rush to Van Halen to Guns n' Roses. I also love the 80's hair bands: Dio, Ratt, Crue, Ozzy, Maiden, etc. I never really got into the more "brewtal" metal like Megadeth, Queensryche, etc.

I love the Demon for the 80's stuff. I had previously used a JB, but it was just too noisy. The Demon to me seems to have lot of JB-like character, but just more controlled/less obnoxious. In other words, the Demon is rude enough to be fun yet less likely to give me a headache.

As for the neck bucker, I would really love to get something close to the Slash "Paradise City" lead tone. The challenge is that Slash plays a Les Paul at deafening volume, and I play a Stratocaster at bedroom volume. Therefore, I'm thinking that Duncan's Alnico II Pro Slash model is probably not going to do it for me.

I prevously used a '59 with the JB. It was OK, but the 59 sounded too muddy under distortion.

I have also tried a JB Jr neck. I hate ceramic pickups, and the JB Jr was no exception. Icepick to the temples attack, little sustain, and pulled the strings out of tune. Yuck. Therefore, the ceramic Lil' Demon neck pickup, as well as the Lil 59'er, are both completely out of consideration. (And a custom-shop Alnico version is completely out of the budget!)

I am currently using a Duncan Designed HB103 that I swapped an A5 into. I like the clarity and the overall treb/mid/bass balance of the DD a lot more than the SD59. The A5 attack is also more natural than the original ceramic HB103 and the ceramic JB Jr. My only complaint with the modded DD pickup is that it no real personality and does not seem to pick up very many of the instrument's natural overtones.

Would a Jazz give me the sound I want? I know a lot of people like it with the JB, but will it be too loud for the Demon? Also, I've heard gripes that the Jazz is not very interesting tone-wise. Does the Jazz have a complex, character-filled sound, or is it just *meh* like the DD103 that I am now using?

What about a Seth Lover? That seems to be the most underwound neck bucker on the tone chart. I played a Lover bridge before...it was too bright for my Strat but I really loved that creamy, open-wah character that it added to the sound. Does the neck version have that kind of personality? Is it clear and articulate like the bridge Lover, or does it end up muddy with distortion like the 59?

Please let me know what you guys think would be the best match for the Demon based on tone, musicality, character, and output.
 
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I really think that an alnico2pro would work well... I have it in a strat and it works amazing. (the bridge version, though, not neck). I am afraid that most other pickups would sound either too boomy or too flutey, hollow and slightly honky (in a positive way). the a2pro is fat and juicy :)
 
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Hmm...I hadn't even thought about the PG. I just assumed it was for Les Paul. Have you ever tried one in your Partcaster Teles? What's it like?

Orpheo...you have the A2 in your Strat?Is it the regualr A2 Pro, or is it the A2 Slash? Do you have any music online where I could hear it?
 
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I've got the regular bridge in a strat. No clips but I am home the next few days, maybe I can conjure up a small clip. Don't expect heaven's tone, cause my mic'ing capabilities are VERY limited.
 
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I have to go along with AniML. Sounds like you could use another Demon or a Pearly.
 
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I have to go along with AniML. Sounds like you could use another Demon or a Pearly.

I've seen the Liltte SD neck pickup on the website, but I haven't seen a full-sized SD neck offered. I'll check with Duncan's customer support to see if they have a full-size Demon neck pickup.

I am curious about the PG idea...just seems it might be too muddy for me? I do not like the 59 neck and the PG has A2 magnet and higher DC resistance. Seems to me the PG would be even muddier???
 
Re: Please recommend neck 'bucker for Screamin' Demon Bridge

Duncan's customer service just emailed me back (wow that was quick!). They advised the following:

"Although the Screamin Demon is a bridge pickup, it is technically low enough output to be an acceptable pickup in either/both position. It's commonly paired up with an Sh-1n '59, or an SH-2n Jazz neck pickup. "
 
Re: Please recommend neck 'bucker for Screamin' Demon Bridge

I use the Demon in the neck and find that it is actually a better neck pup than a bridge pup.
 
Re: Please recommend neck 'bucker for Screamin' Demon Bridge

Pearly Gates neck works nicely with a Demon in the bridge. So does a Demon in the neck too.
 
Re: Please recommend neck 'bucker for Screamin' Demon Bridge

When I was looking for a replacement set of pickups for my HH Strat the guys at Duncan suggested the PG neck to go with the Demon in the bridge. They both have been in there since 1994.
 
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I would try the Alnico Pro 2. It will give you a starting point. See how different it is from Slash's tone in your guitar. One of my students has a Music Man John Petrucci w/ a demon and a Jazz neck and it sounds good.

Alnico Pro 2
Jazz neck
If those fail try the Pearly Gates.
 
Re: Please recommend neck 'bucker for Screamin' Demon Bridge

One of my HSS strats has the Screaming Demon in the middle, HotRails neck with a 2 wire Gibson 57 classic in the bridge position. A real tone beast. I wired it with Master Volume and Tone push pulls with the volume coil split by switch for the neck and middle and the tone pull turns on the bridge so in switch position 2 you can have all three on as humbuckers or HSS.
 
Re: Please recommend neck 'bucker for Screamin' Demon Bridge

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

PG neck
Slash neck
A2Pro neck
 
Re: Please recommend neck 'bucker for Screamin' Demon Bridge

Put the Demon in the neck spot and see if you like it, if you do run two bridge pups. I've done that on a few guitars, you're taking a kick ass bridge pickup and making it slightly warmer. So far I've had good luck doing that with 81's, Super Distortions and SD AHB-1's.
 
Re: Please recommend neck 'bucker for Screamin' Demon Bridge

I would like to thank everyone for offering their advice. I thought I would take a minute to let you guys know how it turned out.

Per your advice, I narrowed it down to either a PG or Jazz. Consulting the tone cchart told me that the Jazz was brighter than the 59, which seemed muddy in my guitar. Therefore, I landed on the jazz.

Overall, the Demon and the Jazz are a good combo. They both have their own unique qualities, but they are not so different that it is a shock to switch between them. In addition to kick-@$$ rock tones, I am pleasantly surprised with the clean tones! The middle position has a nice honk to the midrange, a sweet, bluesy "Dazed and Confused" kind of sound. Nice!

I tell you what, I think the Demon would be a great pickup in an HSS Strat, too! It has a lot of the "fun" of the JB, just not so obnoxious. I think it would balance nicely with a set of Classic Stack Plus. Time to start saving up some cash for my next project!!!

Thanks again, guys. Cheers!
 
Re: Please recommend neck 'bucker for Screamin' Demon Bridge

Glad you found what sounds good to you. Your own tone is such a personal thing. Glad that we forumites could be of help in your quest. Enjoy.
 
Re: Please recommend neck 'bucker for Screamin' Demon Bridge

I found the Jazz neck to be a good match with a Demon. They both have good clarity and sparkle. The 59n I felt brought too much bass to match well with the demon. That’s the extent of my experience on the subject :)
 
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