Power chaining a comp pedal???

thespricket

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Hi!
Just picked up a line 6 constrictor comp pedal for 20 bucks. Im cool with everything the pedal does and I think it sounds great, but I don't have a lot of experience with compressors.

The only problem I have, which is apparently pretty common with this pedal, is that I have to use it with its own power supply. When I put it in the daisy chain with the others it makes a ton of noise.

My question(s):
Do all compressors have this problem? I may be able to get a dyna comp instead for only $40. Does the dyna comp need isolated power?

If its a consistent problem with comps I can just suck it up and use a battery every time I take it to play out.
 
Re: Power chaining a comp pedal???

Hi!
Just picked up a line 6 constrictor comp pedal for 20 bucks. Im cool with everything the pedal does and I think it sounds great, but I don't have a lot of experience with compressors.

The only problem I have, which is apparently pretty common with this pedal, is that I have to use it with its own power supply. When I put it in the daisy chain with the others it makes a ton of noise.

My question(s):
Do all compressors have this problem? I may be able to get a dyna comp instead for only $40. Does the dyna comp need isolated power?

If its a consistent problem with comps I can just suck it up and use a battery every time I take it to play out.

You should understand first WHAT a compressor does and which are the benefits and drawbacks of using it.

A compressor modifies the dynamic range of your signal, in the following way:

1) it raises ALL your signal level in some decibels (usually with some gain, level or make up knob, the name depends on each maker). That means that the noise that was present on your signal is being made LOUDER than it was.
2) When your signal have transients (peaks) that raise some loudness level, those peaks are leveled down (compressed) in some ratio 3:1, 4:1, 8:1, etc (usually a compression or ratio button does this).

Depending on the maker, compressor can be more or less sofisticated but, as result of its work you have:

a) your quietest signals sounding louder, closer to the average loudness level.
b) your highest signals sounding quieter, closer to the average loudness level.
c) your attack is being softened
d) your sustain is being prolonged, notes last more time

As a result, you have an homogeneus signal level (less difference between quiet and loud notes = minor dynamic range), a louder average level, a softer attack and more sustain. The impact on each of those effects will depend on your controls (please, carefully read which knob does what and try extremes to understand how it changes your sound).

Typical drawbacks:
1) loss of expression, if compression is overdone, since there is less difference between quiet and loud parts.
2) muffled attack, if attack time is wrong, you can loose all your punch.
3) squeezing tails, if attack / sustain are overdone
4) increase of noise level propagated to rest of the chain

So, a compressor (and, I would say, any gain pedal) will raise the level of the noise that is taking on its entry, everytime that you are going for an output level different of unitary level.
This noise is being propagated to the rest of chain and, eventually, increased by other gain pedals (EQs, ODs, boosters, distortions, ...).

So, you have two options:

a) to place the compressor at the end of your gain pedals (this usually sounds worst but, maybe that makes the trick for you).
b) to use a good noise gate to remove the noise before it goes to the compressor (as the ISP Decimator G-String)
 
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Re: Power chaining a comp pedal???

It's specific to the pedal, some pedals will hum badly on a generic power supply like your Line 6 does, others like the Dyna Comp will not. The ability to enhance noise like hermetico points out, is common to all compressors but its not the same as the hum generated by the L6 on a generic power supply.
 
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While I've not owned the Constrictor, I've owned several of the ToneCore Line 6 pedals... They have all been noisy to me.

That being said, everything hermetico said is spot on and is a great Compressors-101, but what I think you're experiencing is the cheap pedal just being noisy in general.
 
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All the Line 6 ToneCore pedals I've tried need a dedicated power supply . . . the power filtering in the pedals is bad or something. The whole line is like that. Most other pedals (boss cs-3/mxr dynacomp/digitech main squeeze) do not have this problem when daisy chaining them.
 
Re: Power chaining a comp pedal???

Sorry, I had no time to finish this post.
That was all about the compression effect itself.
Then, going to power supply thing.

If you chain several pedals under a single power transformer, you will have available for all pedals just the maximum ampers that the AC transformer delivers. Each pedal drains some of that current but, usually the max ampers are enough to daisy chain everything.
If the total current that your pedals demand go over the max that the AC can deliver, usually pedals can deliver weaker and thinner sound (but, some vintage units can even sound better) and that's all.
But there are some pedals very demanding and very sensible to their input power needs and a right rectified and stable current.

By example, the Carl Martin Octaswitch II switching system, with a wrong (weaker, unrectified) AC adaptor created whistles and howlings that ruined the sound. With the right AC adaptor, providing at least the requiered ampers and voltage and, with a right filter, is deadly quiet.
Some other pedals I tested introduce some noise on the chain if they aren't correctly feeded. If you run them with batteries, they are quiet. If you run it in a daisy chain they go worst.

The best way to power all your pedals with some AC adaptor is to use a good adaptor, with filters and transformer isolated outputs. This decouples your eventually dirty ground from your pedal's ground. One good example is the Voodoo Lab Pedal Power 2.

Isolated outputs are specially important if you are mixing pedals with inverse ground polarity, as many germanium-transistor-based pedals (and very specially, vintage fuzzes). If you mix negative and positive grounded pedals under the same powering chain, noise issues are practically ensured.
If you are in this case, use a separate daisy chain for positive grounded pedals and one more for negative grounded pedals.
If just a single pedal, use a one-spot AC forthat single pedal and chain the rest together.

Even using isolated outputs, be sure to check how much your pedal drains and how much is available on the exact output you are plugin the pedal in, because, usually, not all outputs have the same max amps available.

Just my 2cts.
(that sums up 4cts, right?)
 
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All the Line 6 ToneCore pedals I've tried need a dedicated power supply . . . the power filtering in the pedals is bad or something. The whole line is like that. Most other pedals (boss cs-3/mxr dynacomp/digitech main squeeze) do not have this problem when daisy chaining them.

Or, you can use an ac adaptor with an output that is already prepared for such a kind of pedals, as the two available on the Voodoo Lab Pedal Power 2 adaptor.
 
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Or, you can use an ac adaptor with an output that is already prepared for such a kind of pedals, as the two available on the Voodoo Lab Pedal Power 2 adaptor.

If you're rolling in that kind of money, why not just hire someone to turn the volume of your amp up and down to simulate the effect of compression? :P
 
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If you're rolling in that kind of money, why not just hire someone to turn the volume of your amp up and down to simulate the effect of compression? :P

What I do in fact is to hire one man that emulates my first valve, to which I plug my guitar cord in the only jack I can imagine. That man is linked to the second one, that emulates my PI tube and transfers everything to two more people that are working on a pull/push configuration (one goes down when the other goes up). At the end of chain, I am hiring one thicker or thinner boy, depending on the amount of basses that I need for my speaker simulation.
This human-amp isn't totally tuned and, the resulting sound is closer to what you can expect from a family of monkeys fighting for a single banana but, I am confident that I will be able to fix the issue in short, with the help of a multimeter.
:butkick:

Seriously. That wasn't the only option I've pointed out.

Quiet and Cheap (until that to replace batteries starts to be money and time consuming issue): go for batteries in all your pedals, and the adaptor that comes with some particular pedals (because is the right one for THAT pedal).
But everybody knows the drawbacks, specially if a battery deads in a buffered pedal in the middle of your chain. :cussing:

(Not always)Quiet and Cheap: use a multi-point single adaptor but, if you run positive and negative ground pedals, use TWO multi-point adaptors and link positive and negative just to one of those chains. Some pedals, simply don't work properly with cheap adaptors, it's a pitty but, life sometimes is like this.

But, if your pedal board starts to be big and needs several particular adaptors, you will probably end with a "plugs rule" that you will need to carry on with you, when moving your rig from here to there (and, don't forget it one single day or your session could be a pain) and, some day, you will think that an adaptor with several outputs directly screwed under your pedal board can be just what the doctor recommended to you.
If you choose the cheapest one without further criteria (as I did), you will regret.
:smack:
I am just pointing here what things I considere good to take into account if you are running your pedals thru some of those units and, that Pedal Power 2is just one of the most versatile units I personaly know but, sure, there are more (nowadays!. some years ago, there were very few) around to choose.

Just sharing my own experiences and trying to warn about the errors I already made.:baby:
 
Re: Power chaining a comp pedal???

... aaaanyway, as others have said, this is definitely a problem specific to Line 6 Tonecore pedals. They really do not play nice with others on the same power supply. Pretty much any pedal comp will be far quieter.
 
Re: Power chaining a comp pedal???

... aaaanyway, as others have said, this is definitely a problem specific to Line 6 Tonecore pedals. They really do not play nice with others on the same power supply. Pretty much any pedal comp will be far quieter.

yepes. I've said it also, but with an additional long and boring info.
MXR Dyna Comp reissue is noisy. MXR Custom Comp is way quieter... (but still increases floor noise).
 
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