PreSonus Interface - Good? Bad? Ugly?

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Hey all, I've been thinking about getting a PreSonus Inspire 1394 FireWire Audio Interface. It recives 2 XLR inputs (wih phantom power), meaning I can send the main outs on my mixer to it, have it convert the signal (it says it does ADA conversion) and send to my Mac with a Firewire 400 send.

In the summer I'll be buying a Macbook with Logic Express 8 on it, so the included Cubase LE will be installed on my mac mini, and that'll be the backup machine (Mini is 1.43GHz Power PC with 1GB RAM, Macbook will be 2.4GHz with 2GB RAM). The main set-up would be mics->mixer->Interface->Macbook w/ Logic.

Will the macbook with this interface (which claims compatibility with Mac OSX and Logic) be a good set-up to receive a mixer, and result in professional quality recordings? Will I need phantom switched on both the mixer and interface? one or the other? I'm thinking both, and yes I use condenser mics, so phantom is necessary.

If you think this interface is a bad option to meet my needs, what would you suggest? (for $200 USD or less).
 
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The PreSonus Inspire 1394 is not a bad interface, that's for sure. You won't have top class preamps and AD's in it. But you will probably don't benefit from that either.

Will it give you professional recordings? Well, no not just like that. I heard your tracks over at myspace a couple of weeks ago. You got alot to work on, where as the audio interface isn't the most important. I'm not saying that you shouldn't upgrade, you should absolutely do that if you're thinking about it. And going firewire is a good choice.

If you head over to my myspace site and take a listen... www.myspace.com/ludvignylund

My EP was recorded with a Studio Projects VTB-1 preamp and a ESI Maya44 soundcard. Which both quality and price-wise matches the PreSonus, roughly. Is the EP I made professional quality? No, but it's alot better than the ones I made with the Soundblaster card before but still not near professional.

And when making the EP, apart from that I upgraded my recording setup I read lots and lots of articles on mixing and recording. Tested lots of different micing positions, read just about everything I found about how different EQs and compressors work and how to use them in different situations. How you should use reverb on a mix. Common ways of panning the instruments in the mix etc. And I would say that's what improved my recordings the most, when I started to know how to use the four most important mixing tools... EQ, compressor, panning and reverb.

So my advice would be:

1. Get the presonus (but don't expect miracles on your recordings, they will be better and clearer but not professional quality, due to lack on experience)

2. Start reading about mixing and how to use EQ, compressor, pan and reverb. Lots of articles on the net, and lots of good forums as well. One article that is quite good imo is this one:

http://www.audiomelody.com/1/Articles/How-to-Mix-a-Pop-Song-from-Scratch

3. Learn what the plugins in Logic do and work. But here again, focus on EQ, compressor, pan and reverb. They are simply the MOST important and you will use them on about every song you mix. Where as flanger or something might be used on a single guitar or song track sometimes. You get the point! ;)

4. Just practise and practise and practise. And use reference tracks, import an track of a song that's similar to yours into your Logic project. Then you can easily compare your song to the commerical recording while you do the mixing. Listen to the track.... NO you gotta really listen. Not just like when you listen to music in the stereo.

You gotta mix-listen, focus on small parts at a time. "How does the guitar tone work so well together with the bass?" "Why does the bassdrum interact like it's glued to the bassline", "How much reverb have they used?"... Then figure out how the did it and try to replicate it. Now adjust your ear and listen to the track as a whole, how does it sound compared to how you had it before... does it work on you track?

I found that learning this way works mighty well!

But don't compare your mix to the commerical track volume-wise, never. The only thing you need to remeber about the final volume of you mix is that.. NEVER EVER let the output meters in Logic peak or shoot up over 0dB, never. Keeping a -3dB marginal is good. When you play you track from the beginning to the end, the meters in Logic shouldn't anywhere go over 0dB, it introduces horrible digital distortion to your tracks. a BIG NO. And don't adjust this by bringing down the Output in Logics mixer. The Output fader should always be a 0dB, then you adjust the individual tracks, drums, guitar, bass accordingly so that it doesn't peak over 0dB.

5. Now you've got your mix the way you like it. Or not, but let's say that you're at least happy with it and want to put it up on myspace. Then you listen to the commercial records you like and then the track you and your band made... it's so quiet and low volume. Yes, correct. You're still missing the mastering part. I'm not gonna get into what mastering includes because someone's gonna come here and say that I'm wrong and then we are gonna start fighting about that in this thread (unnecessary ;) ). But when mastering track it's common to use a limiter/ brickwall limiter on the final mixdownm your aiff or wav file. Easily explained, it crams things together and results in that your track sounds louder.


I went a little deeper and off topic to your original question and you may know alot of this already but I hope some of my advice helped. I started recording more seriously last summer and have had loads of fun with it since. But still I'm a newbie and there's a loong way before I'm at pro level recordings :D but it's fun, so the best of luck to you! ;)
 
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i dont know about the interface but you shouldnt get logic 8 w/ your computer. find a friend who goes to a college/university and get it through them. apple's student discounts are incredible and you'll save around $700.
 
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i dont know about the interface but you shouldnt get logic 8 w/ your computer. find a friend who goes to a college/university and get it through them. apple's student discounts are incredible and you'll save around $700.

My mom's a high-school teacher. If I give her the money and she orders it online for me, I can get the education discount that way (yeah, teacher's get that same discount students get, pretty sweet I'd say).
 
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The education discount online is not the same as buying on a campus store, for software. I picked up Logic 7 for $300 at a Uni store, and it was $1000 normal price, $500 edu price on the web. I picked up Logic 8 for a whopping $150 at the same store, while the normal price is $500 and the edu price is $450 online.

That said, anyone can get the Apple Education discount when buying online... I'm posting this from the MBP I ordered 2 weeks ago via the Apple store for education - I just picked the college my sister goes to and planned on using her info to buy it... but it never asks for proof of enrollment, or anything related to your school aside from zip code.
 
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I haven't used the Inspire, but I have a Firebox that I've used with a Powerbook and a G5 tower. Pretty good unit, but I wonder it is several years old, and I wonder if there might be better units out there now. My only gripe is that when my G5 wakes from sleep, I sometimes have no sound (or the sound is reset to 10). I have to go to launch Apple's AudioMidi program to reset the bit rate to get sound back (or even worse, go to the terminal, and kill 'CoreAudio'). I suspect that some of that might be Apple's fault.

Getting back to your question, if you can, I would upgrade to something like the Firebox. From what I understand, preamp quality can make quite a bit of difference, and the Firebox has decent preamps.
 
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honestly just put down the cash on a firestudio or firepod...

8 XLRs and you can pretty much ditch your mixer...
 
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I'd avoid them, in all honesty. Shoddy converters and preamps compared to other interfaces that are similarly priced. About the only thing going for them is the driver stability, and MOTU and RME still have them beat on that front.
 
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Thanks guys. I'm getting the feeling I can find a better bang for my bucks for maybe a few bills more. Any suggestions on firewire interfaces between $100 and $250? Must be Mac compatible and have 2 XLR inputs (for the mixer main outs to the interface)
 
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Oh christ... $250, in all honesty, is not going to get you a very good interface. I'd save up closer to 500 or so and grab something like a MOTU Ultralite, Focusrite Saffire PRO 10, or M-Audio FW410 or FW1814 interface
 
Re: PreSonus Interface - Good? Bad? Ugly?

Good, bad, ugly... No, this Presonus is just a decent little audio gem.


I'd save up closer to 500 or so and grab something like a MOTU Ultralite, Focusrite Saffire PRO 10, or M-Audio FW410 or FW1814 interface


On the long run I'd advise that as well, especially the Focusrite Saffire Pro10 and Motu Ultralite. With processing / mixing / mastering experience these units can bring you pretty far.

The Focusrite has the best price / quality ratio: you got 8 decent quality preamps, 2 pretty useful headphone outs and decent converters in one highly flexible FW package - plus a number of decent plug-ins. With decent microphones and much processing experience you will be able to make pretty good recordings.



Anyway, if you're on that budget you might want to check these little interfaces out, 'bout $300:


http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/FireWire/AudioFire4/index.php


It's a pretty straightforward 4in/4out rock-solid stuff with awesome drivers and pretty good converters. We have used a lot of Echo stuff around for audio workstations and they are proven to have really good sound quality, reliability and support. Their little MIA Midi PCI card is still the best in its price range IMO.



http://www.focusrite.com/products/saffire/saffire/


The little brother of the 8 XLR I/O Saffire Pro 10 interface, with the same sound quality and software plug-ins but limited audio inputs.


In my experience they both outperform the PreSonus Inspire.




edit: an audiophile friend of mine calls this one as a piece of heaven:

http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/duet.php

I must tell that I haven't heard this interface but Apogee always scores when shoots...
 
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I've come reeeeally close to selling off my Saffire 26i/o and grabbing one of those Duets on more than one occasion - I can almost guarantee you that will be my dorm-room 'rig.'
 
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I've come reeeeally close to selling off my Saffire 26i/o and grabbing one of those Duets on more than one occasion - I can almost guarantee you that will be my dorm-room 'rig.'


Having a DUET is the best idea for cost-effective yet stellar quality audio work, for a MAC man :cool2:


I have a PC / XP DAW and need 8 i/o so I must use a platform-independent multichannel interface. With a MAC, I'd get that Duet without hesitation as well...
 
Re: PreSonus Interface - Good? Bad? Ugly?

Oh christ... $250, in all honesty, is not going to get you a very good interface. I'd save up closer to 500 or so and grab something like a MOTU Ultralite, Focusrite Saffire PRO 10, or M-Audio FW410 or FW1814 interface


Not necessarily true. I agree most interfaces in this range aren't too hot but there are a few that do a good job. I have an EMU 0404 USB for my laptop rig and it does a great job. In one of my PC's I have an EMU 1212m PCI interface that is excellent. It gets great reviews, has a decent clock, and has the same converters as the Digidesign HD stuff. I've sent files produced from both of these devices over to studios with high-end hardware and it worked out fine.
 
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