PTP vs PCB
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That90'sGuy
DyzaBoyzologist
Re: PTP vs PCB
Damn right... just like Bogner. People listen to the Shiva and think it's a point to point handwired Marshall JTM, they never guess it's a PCB board amp.
Some manufacturers are making PCB boards so thick and well designed that I wouldn't be surprised if they outlive the next generation.
Damn right... just like Bogner. People listen to the Shiva and think it's a point to point handwired Marshall JTM, they never guess it's a PCB board amp.
Some manufacturers are making PCB boards so thick and well designed that I wouldn't be surprised if they outlive the next generation.
the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
Re: PTP vs PCB
People can argue the tone of a PCB vs a PTP amp all day long and the truth 99% of the people arguing have no real basis for comparison!
If you have never built the SAME circut with the SAME parts (trannys, caps, resisters, etc) and A/B'ed it with the SAME gutar (or signal source) through the SAME speakers then you have not made a fair comparison...I bet I could count on one had the number of people on the forum that have done all that!
Now...as for how solid a PCB or PTP amp is...a PCB based amp will NEVER be as stout as a PTP wired amp, it's just not possible and people that think it is are just fooling themselves. It is true that new and high quality PCB's are better than low quality ones...but neither can hold up when compared to a handwired amp on a tagboard/terminalboard or terminal strips. I once dropped my Twin Reverb down a full flight of concrete/steel stairs and aside from a few bumps it was just fine...has it been a PCB amp I am positive the board woudl have been cracked in atleast one or two places.
People can argue the tone of a PCB vs a PTP amp all day long and the truth 99% of the people arguing have no real basis for comparison!
If you have never built the SAME circut with the SAME parts (trannys, caps, resisters, etc) and A/B'ed it with the SAME gutar (or signal source) through the SAME speakers then you have not made a fair comparison...I bet I could count on one had the number of people on the forum that have done all that!
Now...as for how solid a PCB or PTP amp is...a PCB based amp will NEVER be as stout as a PTP wired amp, it's just not possible and people that think it is are just fooling themselves. It is true that new and high quality PCB's are better than low quality ones...but neither can hold up when compared to a handwired amp on a tagboard/terminalboard or terminal strips. I once dropped my Twin Reverb down a full flight of concrete/steel stairs and aside from a few bumps it was just fine...has it been a PCB amp I am positive the board woudl have been cracked in atleast one or two places.
SpiderVenom
New member
Re: PTP vs PCB
No offense, but I'm going to have to give Reinhold Bogner and Andy Marshall the benefit of the doubt over you...
http://www.bogneramplification.com/Pcboard.htm
the guy who invented fire said:
No offense, but I'm going to have to give Reinhold Bogner and Andy Marshall the benefit of the doubt over you...
http://www.bogneramplification.com/Pcboard.htm
Boogie Bill
New member
Re: PTP vs PCB
Nothing wrong with PCBs, at all. Add Mesa to the list of PCB-based amps--Mesas have always been PCB.
Bill
Nothing wrong with PCBs, at all. Add Mesa to the list of PCB-based amps--Mesas have always been PCB.
Bill
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firebirdVII
Guest
Re: PTP vs PCB
I think that he was referring to that specific board (copyrited 2004-2005)aleclee said:
ratherdashing
Kablamminator
Re: PTP vs PCB
This is just like the nitro vs poly argument. There are great poly finishes just as there are terrible nitro finishes. There are terrible PTP amps and great PCB amps (as evidenced).
It's the result that counts.
This is just like the nitro vs poly argument. There are great poly finishes just as there are terrible nitro finishes. There are terrible PTP amps and great PCB amps (as evidenced).
It's the result that counts.
devastone
New member
Re: PTP vs PCB
A properly designed, and more importantly, properly mounted PCB would have been fine also. I takes alot of flex to "crack" a PCB, although a little flex can screw up traces. But, properly mounted to the chassis, neither should be an issue. I could probably argue that all of those components stretched out between 2 terminals would be more at risk from the G-forces of a tumble down the stairs, but that would be pointless also. A properly designed and built PCB or PTP amp is a good thing.
the guy who invented fire said:
A properly designed, and more importantly, properly mounted PCB would have been fine also. I takes alot of flex to "crack" a PCB, although a little flex can screw up traces. But, properly mounted to the chassis, neither should be an issue. I could probably argue that all of those components stretched out between 2 terminals would be more at risk from the G-forces of a tumble down the stairs, but that would be pointless also. A properly designed and built PCB or PTP amp is a good thing.
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Metalman_666
New member
Re: PTP vs PCB
Is one really any more reliable than the other if you're using the same standard of quality for both? I'm a newbie when it comes to this debate...
Is one really any more reliable than the other if you're using the same standard of quality for both? I'm a newbie when it comes to this debate...
bigheadood
New member
Re: PTP vs PCB
Did anyone read the 'please note:' part that was inscribed on the PCB board?
That says it all.
Did anyone read the 'please note:' part that was inscribed on the PCB board?
That says it all.
SpiderVenom
New member
Re: PTP vs PCB
Read that article I posted a little further down... explains both sides fairly well.
Metalman_666 said:
Read that article I posted a little further down... explains both sides fairly well.
Gearjoneser
Gear Ho
Re: PTP vs PCB
This debate bores me because it's like comparing carburetors to fuel injection.
I'm quite sure I'd like driving a new sports car just as much as an old muscle car.
Apples and Oranges.
Take my Wall of Tonal Delight for example. LOL Right now, the only amp I own that's PTP is the Matchless Chieftain. The Bogner is PCB and is just as quiet and fat sounding. I don't even care anymore. If an amp sounds great, I like it. If not, bye bye.
This debate bores me because it's like comparing carburetors to fuel injection.
I'm quite sure I'd like driving a new sports car just as much as an old muscle car.
Apples and Oranges.
Take my Wall of Tonal Delight for example. LOL Right now, the only amp I own that's PTP is the Matchless Chieftain. The Bogner is PCB and is just as quiet and fat sounding. I don't even care anymore. If an amp sounds great, I like it. If not, bye bye.
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