Dark Order Lord
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So? Randall Isocab vs Kemper profiler?????? Thoughts? Info?
Randall Isocab vs Kemper profiler??????
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TwilightOdyssey
Darkness on the edge of Tone
Re: Randall Isocab vs Kemper profiler??????
Totally different approaches to the same end. There is also the Two Notes unit for a3rd flavour.
I reamp guitars and bass through the Randall.
Nothing against the Kemper or Axe FX, I simply have zero interest in modeling, profiling, cloning, spoofing, or whatever else you wish to call NOT using a valve amp and microphone.
Totally different approaches to the same end. There is also the Two Notes unit for a3rd flavour.
I reamp guitars and bass through the Randall.
Nothing against the Kemper or Axe FX, I simply have zero interest in modeling, profiling, cloning, spoofing, or whatever else you wish to call NOT using a valve amp and microphone.
dominus
King Midas to Cheap Guitars
Re: Randall Isocab vs Kemper profiler??????
Completely different things. In fact, I'd recommend using the ISO Cab *with* the Kemper. Real Amp --> ISO Cab --> Kemper.
ISO Cab is for recording a real amp. Kemper is for profiling a real amp.
If you have an amp setup that you like, the Kemper can be a great tool. If you plan on using a Kemper and other people's profiles, you might be disappointed.
Completely different things. In fact, I'd recommend using the ISO Cab *with* the Kemper. Real Amp --> ISO Cab --> Kemper.
ISO Cab is for recording a real amp. Kemper is for profiling a real amp.
If you have an amp setup that you like, the Kemper can be a great tool. If you plan on using a Kemper and other people's profiles, you might be disappointed.
zenmindbeginner
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Re: Randall Isocab vs Kemper profiler??????
The ISO Cab is a dead sounding highly compressed recording rig. It is all about the ease of set-up and sound isolation first, sound quality is sort of not it's main objective.
What speaker, microphone and preamp is used with the ISO Cab will matter a lot.
The Kemper Profiler or Two Notes are digital models based on measurements and impulse responses of speakers... you'd have to model an actual Randall ISO Cab to compare the two.
I'll bet that the Kemper could do a real good model of a Randall ISO Cab... I don't know if anyone has done it yet though.
I like using a splitter and recording through a multi mic'd tube amp & a modeler simultaneously.
The modeler is usually complimentary amplifier that I do not own, that gives a variety for me to work with.
Been digging on a Tungsten CremaWheat model lately... downloaded some Dumble profiles too but the Tungsten has had me stuck on it for days now. lolz
The ISO Cab is a dead sounding highly compressed recording rig. It is all about the ease of set-up and sound isolation first, sound quality is sort of not it's main objective.
What speaker, microphone and preamp is used with the ISO Cab will matter a lot.
The Kemper Profiler or Two Notes are digital models based on measurements and impulse responses of speakers... you'd have to model an actual Randall ISO Cab to compare the two.
I'll bet that the Kemper could do a real good model of a Randall ISO Cab... I don't know if anyone has done it yet though.
I like using a splitter and recording through a multi mic'd tube amp & a modeler simultaneously.
The modeler is usually complimentary amplifier that I do not own, that gives a variety for me to work with.
Been digging on a Tungsten CremaWheat model lately... downloaded some Dumble profiles too but the Tungsten has had me stuck on it for days now. lolz
TwilightOdyssey
Darkness on the edge of Tone
Re: Randall Isocab vs Kemper profiler??????
No, no, no, no, no!
No.
Just ... no.
It's possible to get great results from the Randall ISO cab with a couple of very simple mods, some common sense, and a basic understanding of port turbulence and bass overhang. I have discussed my mods before, they should be easy to find.
The ISO cab is no worse than most Marshall cabs, which suffer from horrible bass bloat, overhang, and cabinet flex at high SPLs.
No, no, no, no, no!
No.
Just ... no.
It's possible to get great results from the Randall ISO cab with a couple of very simple mods, some common sense, and a basic understanding of port turbulence and bass overhang. I have discussed my mods before, they should be easy to find.
The ISO cab is no worse than most Marshall cabs, which suffer from horrible bass bloat, overhang, and cabinet flex at high SPLs.
zenmindbeginner
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Re: Randall Isocab vs Kemper profiler??????
This is the knowledge one would need to get the best recorded tone with it.
This is the knowledge one would need to get the best recorded tone with it.
Dark Order Lord
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Re: Randall Isocab vs Kemper profiler??????
I don't like that the Kemper, try as they might has that sterile solid state tone, but the punter won't know the difference, but I will I'm sure. i want my marshall recorded at home, loud, and the ability to work on the mic technique..... The Kemper I would have to spend ages profiling different mic positions, volume settings etc, and what if I not happy, I'd have to go back to a studio and profile again.
I have heard that iso cabs are boxy sounding, how does one get around it?????? I would also change the V30 celestion for a G12 100w or higher for headroom for my TSL cranked.
I need to get the best sound for the best price for the next album
I don't like that the Kemper, try as they might has that sterile solid state tone, but the punter won't know the difference, but I will I'm sure. i want my marshall recorded at home, loud, and the ability to work on the mic technique..... The Kemper I would have to spend ages profiling different mic positions, volume settings etc, and what if I not happy, I'd have to go back to a studio and profile again.
I have heard that iso cabs are boxy sounding, how does one get around it?????? I would also change the V30 celestion for a G12 100w or higher for headroom for my TSL cranked.
I need to get the best sound for the best price for the next album
dominus
King Midas to Cheap Guitars
Re: Randall Isocab vs Kemper profiler??????
Honestly, find a studio/someone that knows what they're doing. People with good ears can get good sounds out of just about anything. I can get great tones out of off-brand solid state amps and IRs.
The Kemper only has it's own tone when you start tweaking the knobs too far. If you start with a profile that's dead on what you set your amp and mic settings at, you don't have to tweak that much. If you aren't profiling your own setup, then you may not find what you need. (Although, with the amount of people making/selling profiles, that shouldn't really be a problem anymore.)
Honestly, find a studio/someone that knows what they're doing. People with good ears can get good sounds out of just about anything. I can get great tones out of off-brand solid state amps and IRs.
The Kemper only has it's own tone when you start tweaking the knobs too far. If you start with a profile that's dead on what you set your amp and mic settings at, you don't have to tweak that much. If you aren't profiling your own setup, then you may not find what you need. (Although, with the amount of people making/selling profiles, that shouldn't really be a problem anymore.)
everdrone
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Re: Randall Isocab vs Kemper profiler??????
check this video out, iso cabs can sound boxy without mods or if they arent silent sister, the small box puts sound pressure on the mic, RE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfsZGoRZi0k
check this video out, iso cabs can sound boxy without mods or if they arent silent sister, the small box puts sound pressure on the mic, RE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfsZGoRZi0k
DankStar
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NecroPolo
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Re: Randall Isocab vs Kemper profiler??????
I have nothing much to add to the Kemper camp as I've never used one extensively. Considering testing I preferred it to AxeFXII because of the feel. It is strictly subjective and is based on aural experience, maybe tracking in my DAW would give a different result for me, I have no idea.
As much as my experience goes, I tend to prefer a small iso booth to an iso cab. Besides sound (despite the small size it still has air moving and speakers are not damped that much) there are some practical reasons: I have an 1.5m x 1.5m place where you can put a lot of things besides your bass / guitar cabs (well, any kind of them) just like singers, blow instruments, actors recording dialogs and so on so on forth. As it has no everyday practical use, it just sits there like a wardrobe so you can store all your momentary unused guitar stuff there that I do when the iso booth is not needed
I have nothing much to add to the Kemper camp as I've never used one extensively. Considering testing I preferred it to AxeFXII because of the feel. It is strictly subjective and is based on aural experience, maybe tracking in my DAW would give a different result for me, I have no idea.
As much as my experience goes, I tend to prefer a small iso booth to an iso cab. Besides sound (despite the small size it still has air moving and speakers are not damped that much) there are some practical reasons: I have an 1.5m x 1.5m place where you can put a lot of things besides your bass / guitar cabs (well, any kind of them) just like singers, blow instruments, actors recording dialogs and so on so on forth. As it has no everyday practical use, it just sits there like a wardrobe so you can store all your momentary unused guitar stuff there that I do when the iso booth is not needed
Empty Pockets
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Re: Randall Isocab vs Kemper profiler??????
i want an ISO booth. Does Randall sell those too or am i going to have to like build a thing...
i want an ISO booth. Does Randall sell those too or am i going to have to like build a thing...
James Rock
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Re: Randall Isocab vs Kemper profiler??????
I prefer using a line signal into impulses then comprising on cab tone, which can be done with dedicated hardware or in your DAW. You have to find the right impulses but loading a wav impulse file is hell alot quicker then changing mic positions and cab types. If you need to hear your amp loud to get that feeling just run a cab as well (maybe stick a mic infront of that in case it does sound better).
I prefer using a line signal into impulses then comprising on cab tone, which can be done with dedicated hardware or in your DAW. You have to find the right impulses but loading a wav impulse file is hell alot quicker then changing mic positions and cab types. If you need to hear your amp loud to get that feeling just run a cab as well (maybe stick a mic infront of that in case it does sound better).
NecroPolo
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Re: Randall Isocab vs Kemper profiler??????
I think it's better if you build it yourself. My booth is made of industrial carpet (I don't know the proper name but it's one of the cheapest brown thin carpets that you can buy in rolls around), junk wood frame pieces, rock mineral wool panels, plastic bags. Rock wool pieces into the bag into firmly the frame finally wrapped in the carpet and nailed together sort of thing. It's not for a beauty contest but it functions just like any premade classy stuff. I have 4 panels around 1m2 that are installed in the corner of a 3x3m dry cellar room. It doesn't do complete sound damping as it's relatively thin but it does a good enough job that enables recording stuff during the night. In my previous flat I had no cellar so I had a room-in-the-room booth big enough for a drumkit with thick rubber floor. The walls had double thick wool, air layer between them and it had an effective door. It did a much better job but still was not completely silent. Anyway, it was efficient enough so people living around never noticed that I was recording music all the time there.
I think it's better if you build it yourself. My booth is made of industrial carpet (I don't know the proper name but it's one of the cheapest brown thin carpets that you can buy in rolls around), junk wood frame pieces, rock mineral wool panels, plastic bags. Rock wool pieces into the bag into firmly the frame finally wrapped in the carpet and nailed together sort of thing. It's not for a beauty contest but it functions just like any premade classy stuff. I have 4 panels around 1m2 that are installed in the corner of a 3x3m dry cellar room. It doesn't do complete sound damping as it's relatively thin but it does a good enough job that enables recording stuff during the night. In my previous flat I had no cellar so I had a room-in-the-room booth big enough for a drumkit with thick rubber floor. The walls had double thick wool, air layer between them and it had an effective door. It did a much better job but still was not completely silent. Anyway, it was efficient enough so people living around never noticed that I was recording music all the time there.