Real Marshall vs. a Modelled Marshall

JeffB

JeffB

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Got a new modelling amp (and pickups!), and decided to post up a clip.

Probably not difficult for most to tell which is which, but...take a guess.

clip is By-Tor & the Snow dog, so there is some heavy delay and phasing- boost is the Dunlop Echoplex set to "kill". Room recording with ZOOM Q3. Same distance/position from speaker on each clip. Only difference is amp. All pedals straight into front of amp.





 
Re: Real Marshall vs. a Modelled Marshall

Normally the first thing I look for in comparisons like these are dynamics and whether or not they come through.

Admittedly I only listened to the beginning with the chugga rhythm and it's hard to pin down dynamics with that passage.

However, the midrange between the two tone is very different; 1st one is warm and the second is scooped.

Based on the warmth:

Clip 1 = real Marshall
Clip 2 = modeler
 
Re: Real Marshall vs. a Modelled Marshall

My guess is #1 is the 'real' Marshall. #2 sounds very (artificially) compressed.
 
Re: Real Marshall vs. a Modelled Marshall

I'm going with the herd on this one.

What model is the 'real' marshall
 
Re: Real Marshall vs. a Modelled Marshall

DSL40c green crunch into a 2x12 evh cab with g12m 20/25w speakers.
 
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Alrighty- the "big reveal"

If y'all WERE a Herd, you'd be digesting in some Lion's Belly.

Clip #1 is a VoxVT20X
Clip#2 is the DSL

It was not my intention to try and "fool" anyone, I really just made a couple clips to compare, and wanted to see what others thought.

I think the real difference here is how the recorder handled the signal. The Vox, though running nearly full blast, still doesn't hold a candle in volume to the Marshall, so maybe the recorder squashing more volume is the culprit. In the room, the VOX sounds pretty much like @$$. Nasal, brittle and cardboard midrange, but it recorded pretty well! I'm really surprised no-one picked up on the squishy digital attack as I hit the strings on clip 1. On the DSL the attack is clean and immediate. I did do all my listening through studio cans once I uploaded to soundcloud, so maybe what people are listening to the clips with is an issue too.

So yeah..studio magic vs. in the room vs. in the mix. All a big factor.
 
Re: Real Marshall vs. a Modelled Marshall

Actually, I pretty much expected to be wrong for that very reason ... a modeler is meant to be used for this purpose and already should have everything you need to have a recording-ready tone. The raw amp would need work. If you high passed and compressed the Marshall it would sound virtually identical to the Vox in all likelihood. As it stands now, the Marshall sounds really bloated and unusable.
 
Re: Real Marshall vs. a Modelled Marshall

I thought #2 sounded too pristine to be a tube amp. Aside from lacking warmth, #2 seemed too "polished" to be true.
 
Re: Real Marshall vs. a Modelled Marshall

Does this sound any better? (Its just a pickup demo noodle I recorded for a friend the same day).

 
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Re: Real Marshall vs. a Modelled Marshall

Van Noord said:
Well, the copious reverb on track #2 kinda gave it away...
Click to expand...

Reverb on both tracks (vox internal divital reverb and dsl internal digital reverb). I think the delay sounds much cleaner/clearer on the marshall and the reverb seems more pronounced. The reverb on the vox gets lost.
 
Re: Real Marshall vs. a Modelled Marshall

This proves two things to me;

1) DSL's suck
2) Modeling amps can sound way better than I ever thought for recording. As a beginner, that's the way I'll go thanks to this clip. I actually thought that 1st clip was a real Marshall.

Now, how good can direct recording through something like Amplitube through a decent interface sound compared to the mic'ed modeler?
 
Re: Real Marshall vs. a Modelled Marshall

What was the model the modeler was modeling? That also plays a factor in determining how "authentic" it is.
 
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