Replacing my JCM-800 combo.

dr0

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So, I have a JCM-800 combo amp that I love, when it's working. A 50 Watt, single channel model.

I have a lot of faith in the guy who repaired it, he has been building and repairing amps for a long time, it's his hobby as well as a profession. He's done other stuff for me, and everything has been great. And it worked great for a few months of weekly practice sessions, but it's gone **** up again, and something more horrible than just a blown tube.

Thinking about it, I think that the old JCM is just ready for retirement. I nice cool spot in the corner of the studio, no more trips in the car, no more loading and unloading, no high volume work... (It's also a very nice looking amp in the original red tolex, and I sort of hate to keep moving it around).

I play in a 3 piece rock band, just basic rowdy garage rock played with some finesse.

So, my current plan it to replace it with something similar. (I may go for a head + a 2x12 cab instead of the combo, based on the feedback of the forum on one of my polls a while ago. I do prefer the open back sound, so maybe a Dr.Z cab, but can go that way with any of these brands, so I'll stick to the combo for the comparison here)

The three amps I'm most interested in are the Marshall JVM 205C, the Blackstar Series One/45, and the Dr.Z EMS "Bluesbreaker" Combo.

I like the flexibility of a dual channel setup, but the most important thing is having that sound. The JCM is a single channel and I use it mostly in the "low" input for the all-important crunchy rhythm sound, using a couple overdrives to get signing sustain for solos. It's a pretty low tech approach.

When I've played around with high-gain amps I usually don't like the high-gain channel that much. I like listening to Eddie Van Halen but have no desire to play like him, and don't have the chops to pull off a lot of that sort of stuff. (Again, enjoy listening to people who do, just being realistic here.)

From the videos I've heard of the Marshalls the two best sounds on it (for me) are the clean and crunch rhythm (which aren't foot switchable). So, I might end up using it much the same way at the JCM 800.

The Dr.Z is a single channel, so just find the one that works and carry on.

The Blackstar has what seems like a usable two channel setup, so that's a plus. Minus is I'm not that familiar with the brand.

I'll try to go play all of these, but it will require some driving, as none of the stores around here seem to stock any of them.

Anyone have experience, good or bad with one or more of these please share you opinions.

If you think I'm missing something else, let me know.
 
Re: Replacing my JCM-800 combo.

Prices?
Blackstar Series One 45: $1900 (Possibly these are no longer made or have been replaced with a new model?)
JVM 205C: $2000.
Dr Z. EMS $2700.
 
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Re: Replacing my JCM-800 combo.

if you really like your amp, then id get it fixed unless its a blown tranny or something. if you want something new, then there are tons of great options these days. that ems looks like a damn nice amp
 
Re: Replacing my JCM-800 combo.

The JVM footswitch is programmable so you can set it up to switch between the clean/crunch modes on channel 1. In a similar price range, the Friedman Runt 50 or a Splawn Super Sport 50, or if you want to go affordable the new Marshall DSL40CR with the optional 6 way foot switch allows switching between modes or the new Origin series looks good.
 
Re: Replacing my JCM-800 combo.

The JVM is a very versatile amp. I have the 50 watt version and at first hated it. Then I discovered the more it is used the better it sounds. It's a keeper.

Every now and then I take it out on the deck, crank it up to 11 and play a little AC/DC. It's great! I don't see any squirrels for weeks.:laugh2:
 
Re: Replacing my JCM-800 combo.

I have a mint Tuxedo Dr Z 1x12 cabinet for sale if you're interested.
 
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I have the JVM 215c combo. I don't gig so I'm not sure how it reacts in a band situation. You can pull tons of different tones out of it. It really doesn't require pedals....but I suppose that's personal taste.

Hope that helps.
 
Re: Replacing my JCM-800 combo.

I had a JVM 210H...HAD.
They do sound really good, but I had some unexplained problems with mine.
It would work fine at home but once I got to a gig for some reason it wouldn’t give me any volume on the gain channel just a faint amount. But he clean channel worked fine. And my connections were good....I couldn’t figure it out.
 
Re: Replacing my JCM-800 combo.

I purchased a Splawn Quickrod (2 actually) and could not sell it fast enough. A dry, choked, one dimensional sound. My Splawn modded Marshall was slightly better than the QR. A Marshall JVM will give you exactly what you are looking for, and more. If you want Marshall tone - buy a Marshall.
 
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^^^^ to each their own but that’s not my experience at all. Everyone and I mean everyone that hears my amp reacts the same..
“DUDE...WTF”.....as they pick their jaw up off the floor.
 
Re: Replacing my JCM-800 combo.

I purchased a Splawn Quickrod (2 actually) and could not sell it fast enough. A dry, choked, one dimensional sound. My Splawn modded Marshall was slightly better than the QR. A Marshall JVM will give you exactly what you are looking for, and more. If you want Marshall tone - buy a Marshall.

^^^^ to each their own but that’s not my experience at all. Everyone and I mean everyone that hears my amp reacts the same..
“DUDE...WTF”.....as they pick their jaw up off the floor.

If I remember correctly, 67Mopar was saying that a Marshall Jubilee was 'his sound'. It's definitely my sound, and I can't say I cared for any of the Splawns I've ever played. It's been a while so I don't remember any specific, just that I wasn't particularly impressed.
 
Re: Replacing my JCM-800 combo.

No worries!!! If we all liked the same things it would be a pretty boring world.
 
Re: Replacing my JCM-800 combo.

You could also check out the Mesa Triple Crown 50 watt. Around $1800 it has a really good clean channel that takes pedals well, a classic Marshall style crunch channel, and a lead channel that is perfect for fluid solos and can get really heavy rhythm tones. Has an effects loop, reverb, 6 button footswith, midi, and the CabClone for direct out and recording. It's my favorite amp, as although it has several options it is very plug and play, especially for a Mesa. The build quality is immaculate.
 
Re: Replacing my JCM-800 combo.

The Splawn sound reminds me of a highly filtered preamp. JMP-1 and SP-77 comes to mind. Perfect for use with rack effects - not so good as a stand alone amplifier. Would a tweak to the filtering and alternate choke do them justice? A Rockman Sustainor is dry as a bone without its effects, but sounds great once you add some modulation and delay. I didn't try my Splawn amps with effects, so I may have to revisit one some day.
 
Re: Replacing my JCM-800 combo.

Granted, amp dynamics, tone, headroom and a lot of other factors are pretty subjective as I think my Fender 68' custom reverb is killer and so is my 81' JCM 800 but for very different reasons and applications. But considering what you've said and having a potentially very similar amp to the one you're replacing/going to have out of commission for a while for a rebuild, I'd be doing some serious looking at a Soldano Hot Rod 50 or 25 depending on how much air you usually move.

It's a killer amp that just has the right voice that's JCM 800 that can breathe fire in a way that's smooth at the same time.... kind of like a really good single malt scotch. I find it takes pedals well and the EQ is voiced just right... especially the presence control (normally with a frequency center that has one good spot and the rest are ugly), the HR series presence is pretty good across the spectrum. there's no MIDI or plethora of channels or voice shifts... but does anyone whose been at it for a while and got a lot of experience under thier belts actually use that stuff?

Hope that helps!
 
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