Report: Quest for more highs from HBs

dr.barlo

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Hey gang,

Thought that it could be beneficial to share my latest experience regarding my attempts (and success) to get more highs from my 8.70/7.70K antiquity HB set.

Recently I took out a set of timbuckers from my hardtail walnut warmoth strat (hardtail, walnut body maple/rosewood neck, H/x/H 2vol 2tone (with the use of 2 CTS500K pots and a 500/500K dual concentric pot) wiring). Those timbuckers replaced BB1 and BB2 in my R8, and are great. But anyway that's not the subject.

I installed the double cream ant hb's I got from John (Blackrose), and decided to try out (again) various magnets in them. All but the a5 sounded kinda dark and too round in the bridge. It might be that this particular guitar is uppermid heavy and lacks the highs. Even a5 was not as punchy as was expected. The timbuckers were more open, more upfront and they screamed more.

I ended up liking the a5 bridge a3 neck the best, but still the bridge was not punchy. I think I like pickups on the bright side. And have to confess that I am using the bridge pickup quite high, very close to the strings just like on pauls. Lowering it was not a solution as lotsa growl was lost at the same time.

The solution was to play with the screws and lowering the slug bobin. In order to do that and not to mess with the magnetic field, I inserted a match under the screw side of the magnet. Then I dialed the screws half-.75 turns more than I generally use.

And guess what. It did the trick for that particular guitar.

I am not recommending you do this unless you know what it is about. I was very careful when I was lowering the slug coil not to break any wires.

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Another thing! I thought of this because of the construction of timbuckers. Now it pretty much looks like it. the screw bobin is flat to the body, and the slug bobin is lower, and has angle like 10degrees or something.

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I was thinking earlier today that it would be nice if more humbucker models came with screws on both bobbins, instead of one bobbin with screws and one with slugs. That way, you could raise the screws on high-E through G on the neck side to get a smooth tone on those high strings, and raise the screws on the bridge side on low-E through D to get more attack/bite on those strings . Kinda like taking a strat bridge pickup and slanting it the other way.

I wonder if you could have accomplished the same thing if the slug coil had come with screws and you lowered the pole pieces into the bobbin?

Is there any tonal reason for using slugs on one bobbin, or is it tradition?
 
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Good question. I dunno.

Now it kinda looks ugly, but who cares. Without that match beneath the screw side of the magnet (even with an a5) it sounded warren hayes all the way all the time. Now it has the sparkle that I need (and them nice qualities of ants) and becomes warren with the vol or tone rolled off. Exactly what I needed.

Another thing, no hazardous side effects like sqling or anything! I was kinda afraid of that.

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That's similar to the Fralin Unbucker II. Lindy uses that method on covered Unbuckers and what he does is set the slug pole pieces deeper into the bobbin under the three wound strings (but not under the unwound strings) so the coil with the screw polepieces will dominate. Gives a similar effect to overwinding one coil, which is what he does for the standrad Unbuckers. The result is that the wound strings have a little more snap and clarity to thier tone. Good post Doc!
 
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Lewguitar said:
That's similar to the Fralin Unbucker II. Lindy uses that method on covered Unbuckers and what he does is set the slug pole pieces deeper into the bobbin under the three wound strings (but not under the unwound strings) so the coil with the screw polepieces will dominate. Gives a similar effect to overwinding one coil, which is what he does for the standrad Unbuckers. The result is that the wound strings have a little more snap and clarity to thier tone. Good post Doc!

I enjoyed reading the posts and some great info from you all...So cool,now we have the "DocBucker" :dance:

John
 
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Lewguitar said:
That's similar to the Fralin Unbucker II. Lindy uses that method on covered Unbuckers and what he does is set the slug pole pieces deeper into the bobbin under the three wound strings (but not under the unwound strings) so the coil with the screw polepieces will dominate. Gives a similar effect to overwinding one coil, which is what he does for the standrad Unbuckers. The result is that the wound strings have a little more snap and clarity to thier tone. Good post Doc!

Vow, that I did not know!

Cool very cool! As I said it has the same look as timbuckers now, but on them timbuckers I hear (from people on the LPF) that the slug coil is wound hotter. I don't think that is necessarily the case with ants (otherwise they would have sounded like PGs no?).

Anyway with that match beneath the screw-side of the magnet it looks like I un-buckered the ant. Cool! :smoker:

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STRATDELUXER97 said:
I enjoyed reading the posts and some great info from you all...So cool,now we have the "DocBucker" :dance:

John

Sounds great! :D

B
 
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get more highs by bypass switch for all pots - PU directly to output jack
 
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psy said:
get more highs by bypass switch for all pots - PU directly to output jack

Out of the question. The result becomes an excessively nasal, excessively uppermid heavy, blur and excessively punchy tone. Even with BBQ (which is fairly dark) the results are far from being satisfactory for a PAF lover like me.

B
 
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dr.barlo said:
... the results are far from being satisfactory for a PAF lover like me.
B

The JB in genereal seems to be far from being satisfactory for a PAF lover
 
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