Revalations with Reverb and Super Reverbs

Gunny47

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Okay guys, first off, just a few things to ponder. Some background: I play in a room with wallpapered and painted walls and carpeted floors when I'm practicing on my own (my room of course). So, the sound is pretty um dead. Not saying this is a bad thing, but basically, when I'm playing clean, there is no echo or reverb of any kind at all. This makes the amp sound a little on the thin side when soloing single notes, especially with the slide, and it makes me want to turn that sucker up. And when I turn it up, its freaking loud! Too loud... :9: And then I get the thickness I want out of the tone, but then I realize that it is probably too distorted because I like a big fat clean sound.

Sometimes I bring my amp downstairs to put it in front of the computer so I can try to learn stuff from youtube. That room has a hard wood floor and is slightly longer and more open than my room upstairs and I get this amazing natural slapback reverb sort of thing. Sounds very ambient and makes me want to keep the amp at lower volume so I can get that reverberated clean tone. Then, I brought the amp in my brothers room where there was a drum set, because he has ipod speakers and I wanted to jam and learn some more derek trucks stuff on songlines. First, I shut the snare off because that was making noise, but then I got this amazing tone. It was not exactly like reverb, but almost like a stereo/delay sorta thing also. The tone resonated through the wood cab, and then resonated through the toms and bass drum, fattening the tone again. Here - example. Ever play guitar unplugged on a wooden chair or near a wooden desk? Now, take the guitar and have it touch that wood and it will resonate through that wood and make it louder and cool sounding. Same concept, but on a larger scale with the drum set.

Anyway, just a little science and things to consider for you guys. Maybe you aren't looking for distortion when you solo, but are just looking for some thickness and sustain. That's my situation. Just some food of thought..:smokin:

Okay, next - stuff about amps. After the Allman Brothers concert and me listening to a countless ampunt of Derek Trucks and SRV, I decided to check out the Fender Super Reverb. I played one a while back, like when I just started out and it "didn't have all the distortion settings" :fingersx: I've played tones of Twin Reverbs and Deluxe Reverbs since then, but they all seemed to be missing something compared to the Super REverb I was ablout to play...

And to say one thing, I loved it! It acted a lot like my Tweed Twin did when it came to clean. BIG AND FAT, DUDE! Just like a wall of clean. Looks really sharp also. Guitar: a red ES-335 Reissue, beautiful guitar. Very warm tones, more open sounding so I could play some airy jazz stuff. Jazz still sounds great on a Les Paul IMO also. But this amp seems like the perfect blues amp. Fat clean sounds, the godly Fender 'verb, 4x10 alnico speakers for that extra break up and edge when you crank it up. Just a very cool amp!
 
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Once you start playing with a band and the drums and bass kick in...... you won't hear all that!

You also have to remember that ALL rooms have a different sound, and you will generally have to adjust your amps tone settings to the room. I used to play in a club years ago that had a metal ceiling and metal walls. It was a God awful room, but after a few GIGS there we were able to "tune" our amps to get a decent sound. It is very rare that you can set your amps the same way every night. Each room and environment will have a different sound to it.

As far as Super Reverbs go..... it was my main amp for about 15 years. About 10 years ago I started A/B'ing it with a Marshall 900. The MArshall for gainy OD stuff and the SR for blues and cleans. I used a TS9 in the Super and the Marshall was channel switching, but I rarely used the Clean channel. This gave me a huge variety of sounds I could get. However it was a lot to carry, so about a year ago I bought a new amp and for the most part I am using just one amp now. The SR offers very different tones with different guitars also. I also use a 335, Les Paul, SG, Strats and Teles. With each guitar the voice can change pretty dramatically. IMHO the SR is one of the best amps ever made by Fender. Much easier to deal with than the 80W of a Twin, it has a lot more headroom than a Deluxe Reverb and the 4 10" speakers move a lot more air and give a nice well rounded bottom by comparison to a Pro or a Vibrolux. Its a good choice in an amp, but they are heavy.
 
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IMHO the SR is one of the best amps ever made by Fender. Much easier to deal with than the 80W of a Twin, it has a lot more headroom than a Deluxe Reverb and the 4 10" speakers move a lot more air and give a nice well rounded bottom by comparison to a Pro or a Vibrolux. Its a good choice in an amp, but they are heavy.


As Dave knows, I've been jonesing for a Super lately. I can attest to what he says about the Twin. I had a pre-CBS Twin Reverb years ago, that was a great amp, but had (IMO) way too much headroom. Although I played a few gigs with a tweed, 2X12 Fender cab a friend had, and it sounded killer because the cab distorted early. Otherwise, you definitely needed a pedal to go with it. It was also pretty danged heavy.
 
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I have a Super Reverb, and I love it. When I was trying it out at the store a few years ago, I was playing it next to a Twin and a Deluxe. For the big, round, clean sound I wanted, with the added punch of the Bright setting, the Super did it for me in a big way.

To get a nice, thick yet bright tone from my Super with my Strat, I put a Boss CS-2 between the Strat and the Super, set the volume on the Super to about 5, and lower the volume on the guitar to about 5 or 6. This way, I get just the clean blues tone I want without bouncing the neighbors around their houses. I keep the reverb relatively low (~2 or 3) for some added dimension; in a gig setting, the reverb isn't as necessary.

- Keith
 
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Super Reverbs....I've owned quite a few.

Boy are they heavy! Boy are they loud! Boy are they clean! Boy are they heavy, loud and clean!

The height puts the handle in just the wrong place for a guy like me who's 5'8"...can't carry it and just let it hang. Gotta hold it up off the ground the whole time and carrying one by the handle wears me out!

Personally, I like the Pro Reverb better. Lighter, more portable, overdrives easier and I kinda like two 12's better than four 10's.

But truth be told, I'll probably own a SR again someday...I like the '73 or '74 model.
 
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I love Super Reverbs, but a similar amp is the Pro Tube Series Concert Reverb, which also has channel switching and a deeper cabinet that pushes more lows than the Super Reverb. It's a really underrated amp.

To solve your problem, just use a Holy Grail or Verbzilla with your Tweed Twin.
 
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Yea man, they look massive those Super Reverbs, such great amps though. They are 12 pounds heavier than my Tweed Twin, and I think that thing is heavy...

As for the Pro Reverb, I played a Pre-CBS all original one of those at SamAsh in the city with a 56 Sonic Blue Closet Classic strat. Some of the best tones I've ever gotten. I got terrible gas for a SRRI though. Whatever, I'll get over it.

I will be buying a reverb thing soon. I might dish out the cash for a tube reverb unit (not the Fender one, but maybe get someone to build one with a tweed cab and a 6K6). Might make a good birthday present from everyone... We'll see.
 
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Yea man, they look massive those Super Reverbs, such great amps though. They are 12 pounds heavier than my Tweed Twin, and I think that thing is heavy...

As for the Pro Reverb, I played a Pre-CBS all original one of those at SamAsh in the city with a 56 Sonic Blue Closet Classic strat. Some of the best tones I've ever gotten. I got terrible gas for a SRRI though. Whatever, I'll get over it.

I will be buying a reverb thing soon. I might dish out the cash for a tube reverb unit (not the Fender one, but maybe get someone to build one with a tweed cab and a 6K6). Might make a good birthday present from everyone... We'll see.

Do yourself a favor. If you are planning on keeping the 57 Tweed, buy the Fender Reverb tank!http://fender.com/products/search.php?partno=0217500000

This thing would make your Twin sound killer.

And IMHO you would be better off buying a Non Master Volume silverface Super Reverb. They sound a lot better than the RI does and they are about the same $. There are some reliabilty issues with the RI Supers. The circuit boards are a littl thin and they warp if they get hot (which they will), and then they will need to be serviced. They get noisey when those boards start to be problematic. The Silverface has not boards and everything is hard wired to the chassis. The Master volume series IMHO are inferior to the non masters.
 
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