Salvage my Warmoth's tone!

Atomic Chameleon

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What's up everyone, I'm told there are tons of guitar addicts on these boards so I come looking and whaddya know, there are tons of guitar addicts on these boards :) Anyway I'm in a dilemma and I'm gonna ask to draw upon some of your knowledge.

So I just completed this guitar a couple weeks ago. It's my first parts guitar, Warmoth alder body/Musikraft maple neck all finished with Tru Oil. I did the finish myself. The pickup is a Custom Custom.

It's Floyded with a bolt-on 1/4 sawn maple neck with a dual acting truss. From what I've read this should be a recipe for bright tone.

Here's my problem: I was going for bright tone. If any of you've heard of Akira Takasaki, that's my ultimate tone., along with any other 80s fare: VH, Lynch, Warren. That's the stuff I play and the tones I was going for. But this guitar is not bright at all. It has plenty of lows and lower mids but almost the entire high freq spectrum is missing. When I'm playing in the upper register, it almost feels like it's set on the neck humbucker position! yeah.. this is a 1H guitar. It's that dark. There's no bite or attack, coming from the body or the neck.

here's a pic of the bod before I mangled it:

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Here's what the guitar looks like now:

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yes it's lacking inlays.. I though it looked cooler blank for a while, but now I'm kicking myself in the ass for not getting them.

As you can see, it looks like it soaked up a good amount of oil! Now all I used was Birchwood Casey Tru Oil.... but I used about half the bottle, and applied with my fingers. On another forum I was told that the dark/dull tonality could be because I applied too much oil to the body. Well, that's probably true. It was my first guitar, and I took a chance by doing everything myself. But my big question is: is this guitar's tone salvagable? I want my highs!

Things I'm considering:
-Sand off oil from the body and apply super light coat
-Change pickup. Something more trebly with clarity in the highs.
-Different neck. Stainless steel frets maybe?
-Floyd titanium block. Would this thing do anything? It's freakin $250 but my curiosity often gets the best of me.
http://floydupgrades.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=66&products_id=182
if worse comes to worst, new body. Maple. I'd be sure not to oil the hell out of it! I want to try a maple bodied guitar anyway.

Anyway I appreciate anyone taking the time to read through this and any advice
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Re: Salvage my Warmoth's tone!

What kind of volume pot do you have there? Are you sure it's a proper 500k or could it be a lower value?

There are always 1 meg pots or those Fender no load pots if you need to let more signal through, which will brighten your tone significantly...
 
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wow, nice piece, try a JB in the bridge..that should brighten things up a lil more i think.

works wonders in my ESP anyways. good luck!

~Mitch~
 
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Yeah, it's a 500k pot.

I'm thinking the Custom Custom isn't the best fit either, because it feels to me like a low/mid booster.

What about swapping the magnets for Alnico 5s?
 
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The CC doesn't sound right for the guitar you're describing - it's quite good at taming unwanted highs, but it sounds like they're not there to be tamed. I'd be thinking maybe a PG, C5 or favourite at the moment would be an Alt8. The 1M pot is a good suggestion too, if you already have a 500K in there.
 
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id swap the magnet or get a new pup. the guitar itself may be a little dark for whatever reason and the cc is pretty **** round sounding
 
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what about an evh custom shop? People always complain about how bright it is in a Floyd Guitar. Id also say the titanium block would be a huge step in the right direction.
Aboutr the Tung oil dulling the sound cause you put too much. ..I've never heard of such a thing.
 
Re: Salvage my Warmoth's tone!

Thanks guys. I wish SD had a freq description of each pickup like Dimarzio has on their website (I know, traitor right?) so you can sort of gauge how the pickups will sound. So JB is the brightest? I'd really prefer to try the pickup swapping first as that to me sounds the easiest to do. I don't want to go back and dis-asssemble the guitar and sand it down and reapply finish. That was not fun.
 
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A Custom Custom?

That's AlNiCo 2, as in total mellowness!!!


What I'd do first is swap the magnet and since you're going to do it, why not with sth interesting?

Along with an alnico 5 and a ceramic try getting an AlNiCo 8 magnet and put it in there (i.e. make it the all-too-famous unofficial Custom 8).
Supposedly it has the tonality of the Custom 5 but without the mid-scoop. more about this from a guy who REALLY knows a lot about it:
More balanced tone than the bass heavy mid scooped Custom 5, tighter and more articulate than the Custom Custom with more output than both, close in output to the Custom with a warmer sweeter tone. Tighter better balanced, sweeter on the top end and more articulate than the JB with close to the same output.
I prefer the tones of the Custom 8 to any other Custom variant, the JB with any mag, Pearly Gates with any mag, 59 with any mag, Full Shread and the Crazy 8.
Does that help any?

After that, try a ceramic magnet (thus making it the original Custom) and 1MOhm/no-load pot and if it's still a no-go, I think I'd look in ways to sand some of the finish off...
 
Re: Salvage my Warmoth's tone!

The Custom Custom is in my opinion lacking any kind of usage treble.

I guess there's a good chance you get out of this mess easy.

If a new pickup (or magnet) doesn't help then I would suspect the truss rod. I don't think these dual truss rods are healthy for sound. I'd ebay the cheapest compatible neck to see whether that comes out better.
 
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I'd say the SH-5 Custom. The ceramic magnet has more, tighter top end than either the CC or C5. Also swap to a 1 meg pot.
 
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It can't be the oil, Tru Oil is still a very thin finish. IMO, it would be that the oil hasn't completely dried yet- despite the directions, it takes about 6 weeks to fully cure. I use Tru Oil all the time, use alot of it, and it doens't dull the tone. Personally, I'd rub the body with ultro fine steel wool, and put a final coat over that.

I refinised my Les Paul years ago with Marine Polyurethane- because that was the best stuff I had 12 years ago. After reassembling the guitar, it sounded dead and dark. It took about a year for it to fully cure and harden until it resonated properly again.

Could always be that you got a tonally dead piece of wood.
 
Re: Salvage my Warmoth's tone!

A while back I put a CC in my alder body/maple neck Schecter PT, thinking the A2 magnet and maple neck would balance. The CC was WAY too mellow and muted sounding - it sucked all the life out of the tone.

I swapped out the magnet for a ceramic (making the pickup a plain ol' Custom) and the guitar's great now.

The good news is magnet swaps are cheap & fairly easy. Don't bother buying another pickup. For less money, grab a ceramic, and A5, and an A8 and experiment.
 
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I agree with the general consensus: its nothing to do with the amount of tru-oil you put on, and everything to do with the pickup. Get something with an A5 or ceramic magnet (or change the magent in your current pickup) and it will make a world of difference.

Have you thought about a screamin demon? In a lot of guitars it feels a touch too bright (IMO), but given what you have said about the CC in your guitar, it may be ideal.

The SD tone chart is here. It has the CC down as 7 for treble, but I've had one in three different guitars and always felt it to be much darker than that. The screaming demon is down as 9, which is about right.
http://www.seymourduncan.com/comparetones
 
Re: Salvage my Warmoth's tone!

Welcome to the forum, that guitar looks great--I dig the clean look with no inlays.

I agree with keeperOS. Buy yourself a alnico 5 mag, alnico 8 mag, and a ceramic mag and experiment.
 
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Hey, doesn't Akira use the Custom? Not the Custom Custom, the Custom... I can see that being much brighter. If you're going to actually open up your humbucker and change the magnet like these guys are telling you to (personally I just buy a different pickup, I'd never heard of doing these things until I came to this message board) put in a ceramic magnet and your pickup should become the Custom.

BTW... Loudness rules!
 
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I think it's the custom custom as well. These folks have got it right, A2 is darker sounding. A Ceramic magnet in your Custom Custom would make it a custom, which is a pickup that SCREAMS in the bridge of a Strat.

Nice guitar btw
 
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Re: Salvage my Warmoth's tone!

i have a warmoth supertrat i finished (nitro rattle cans) & assembled also. It's black korina with a wilkinson instead of a floyd but also darker tonally than i expected. I have had 4 or 5 different HB's in the bridge so far and while I have settled on th JB for this particular guitar for myself I think you would LOVE the crazy8. When i had that in it all I could do was cop DiMartini and other 80's greats.

It had a LOT of bite but was still pretty articulate across the board.
 
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