Screamin' Demon A8 first impression

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Just did my first magnet swap, many thanks to everyone here for the good info! Of course, despite my care I initially did the "Peter Green" and ended up with an upside-down magnet, but that was fun for awhile. It was a quick fix to flip it.

The guitar in question is a PRS SC250, kind of an odd guitar from the start. It's very bright and jangly, and very alive acoustically. The stock bridge PUP is a sledgehammer, 14.4k with an oversized ceramic magnent. Sounded really cool for some searing lead stuff, but it was just too much for me. I always hear a more vintage thing in my head (note: I like McCartys) so I wanted a little more sparkle. My guitar tech had a screamin' demon laying around, so he sold it to me cheap and we dropped it in. That pickup in this guitar was quite bright and very articulate, but too strident. I wanted more lows and low mids (especially since there's an A2P at the neck which has some bottom to it).

So... I did an A8 swap. I've never seen any magnet discussions regarding this pickup so I didn't know what to expect. The swap added gain and some mids, but to my ear more upper and "mid mids" than lower. The pickup definitely has just a touch of the half-cocked wah thing going on in high-gain mode, but it's subtle and it still has plenty of sparkle clean. It's still not quite right for this guitar to my ear, despite the subtle midrange hump there's still a thinness to it. But it's an interesting sound and I think it's better in this axe than the stock demon was so it's a step forward. I suspect this pickup with an A8 magnet in a different guitar would be a screamer, sort of a JB8 with a little less heat.

I'm gonna keep messing with this guitar for awhile. I'm thinking something A5 at the neck instead of the A2P, and something like the A2P or a little hotter at the bridge, something with that vintage chewy sound but with some bottom to it since the bridge position of this guitar is so spanky.

I hate to sell this axe because it's friggin' gorgeous (10-top double-stain black cherry). But some other guitars just seem to get there faster for me without as much work. Either way, it's been fun and educational!

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how do you know if its upside down? :)

thats cool, never even thought about doing the demon A8.
and your JB8 is HOT
 
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When both pickups were on, they were out of phase. (Peter Green's Les Paul was famous for this). On can switch lead wires, or flip the magnet. I flipped the magnet.
 
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I have a JB8 laying around......... maybe I need to try it in this guitar. It will probably be too hot but tone-wise it might get me closer to love.......
 
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considering what you're going for, try a ceramic magnet. It's a bit less musical than the Alnicos, but it's a full sound, very balanced across the board from lows to highs.

of course there's also a bit of extra brightness coming from the double rows of screws as opposed to a screw coil and a slug coil.
 
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pretty guitar btw! would love to have it spend the night for a sleepover, ahh the hot topics we could be up for days...
 
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I'm gonna keep messing with this guitar for awhile. I'm thinking something A5 at the neck instead of the A2P, and something like the A2P or a little hotter at the bridge, something with that vintage chewy sound but with some bottom to it since the bridge position of this guitar is so spanky.
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The A2P might be a little bright in the bridge, especially in a guitar that's already very bright. You could always try putting an A2 mag in your demon to add more low mids.
 
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Toss a Custom or Custom 8 in the bridge.
 
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considering what you're going for, try a ceramic magnet. It's a bit less musical than the Alnicos, but it's a full sound, very balanced across the board from lows to highs.

of course there's also a bit of extra brightness coming from the double rows of screws as opposed to a screw coil and a slug coil.
this could work really well, a ceramic mag in a demon fills it out a little while still keeping the vibe of the pickup intact; with this guitar and that pickup it shouldn't make it too dark either

Toss a Custom or Custom 8 in the bridge.
the custom does love a bright guitar...
 
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I had a Custom 8 in a bright guitar before and it had the exact same thing going on in the high mids that you described. The lows were nice and chunky though and the highs sang but that half-cocked wah effect just did my head in after a while.
 
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Gorgeous guitar for sure. I wouldn't give up. I had to sell mine due to a layoff, otherwise I'd have kept experimenting.

As in your previous thread, I had the same issues with my SC250- Duncans in general are juts too bright and clear in the bridge- the SC250 needs something warm yet beefy in the bridge, and the neck needs something a bit clearer/brighter IME.

are you dead set on Duncans? if so, I'd reccomend some Gibson 300K (or maybe even 250K CTS) pots. That will def tame the high end and make the pups you try sound fuller.

If not- Rio Grande BBQ for the bridge.
 
Re: Screamin' Demon A8 first impression

Or, if you don't mind going Gibson, you might try a '57+ or a Dirty Fingers.
 
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How is this guitar bright and jangly?
Its got a mahogany back and mahogany neck with a rosewood fretboard....
 
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Try to put the A5 of the SD into the A2P. Some people here rave about the A2PA5 to be the better 59.
 
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Wow, all kinds of good commentary!

I used the guitar at a gig last night and played it most of the night. It actually sounded quite good. It cut through very well. I use a straight/slant recto cab onstage, up in the studio I use two 2x12 recto cabs stacked. So there's a bit more cabinet knock live, which thickens things up.

I did notice an odd resistance to controlled feedback; with most of my guitars I can get close to the cab and get nice things to happen. This guitar just seemed to want to squeal instead of giving me a nice feedback or harmonic thing. Don't know how much of that is the guitar itself versus the demon8.

I like the idea of maybe switching the A2 mag in the A2P to an Aa5 (then maybe I can use the A2 in the demon. That might provide some woof at the bridge. But the A5 will probably be louder than the A2... I sure don't need any more heat at the neck! I like the ceramic idea for the demon too, it might get things under control. I ordered some A2's and ceramics from Wymore so I'll keep playing with it. Ultimately it seems that this guitar wants schizophrenic pickups. I can go pretty natural at the neck and get my chewy vintage tones, but at the bridge it seems I need a pickup that colors the sound a lot. Maybe that's why PRS put that sledgehammer ceramic pickup at the bridge... in retrospect it kinda works. I've considered pulling that mag and popping an A8 or even A2 in there, but a 14.5k wind with A2..... just don't think it will work. They put ceramic in hot pickups for a reason. The demon is probably right there on the edge of what you can get away with any magnet in. (Then again, the jb uses alnico and it's wound to over 16k so what do I know...).

I really want to love this guitar, it's so light and comfortable. My ear just seems to like the thickness of the McCarty better, it seems an easier platform to work with. But I'll keep trying for awhile.

Regarding the question about how this could be a bright guitar... I dunno, but it is. I expected the meaty vibe of a McCarty. The SC body is a tad thinner but there's more neck/body contact. But it's chambered as well as being thinner, which I think makes much difference. A McCarty sounds quite different from a custom 22 or 24, there is definitely some voodoo in the constructin. The SC250 is a very resonant ringy guitar. I saw a review once where an owner decided it acted like a semi-acoustic, like a 335, and once he figured that out he got the "right" pickups into it. But a 335 is still a very meaty guitar, this is for lack of a better word jangly and resonant. I think that can be quite a good thing once I figure out what to do with it, it sustains nicely, I just need to find the right pickup combo to really highlight what the guitar naturally does.
 
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Tamed the woofy lows of my A2Pn in the SC250. I just swapped out the polepieces on the low strings for short hex's. It sounds great clean and dirty now. I also put a second row of regular screw polepieces on the demon8 (I swapped out the row of hex polepieces). It really rounded out the pickup, I'm digging it. Very fat and creamy.

It still doesn't do that "thing" that my ear hears when you hit the A2P or a McCarty pickup hard. Is it an alnico 2 thing, I wonder? I might try an A2 in the demon and see, but right now the balance is so perfect between the demon with the 8 and the A2P with the hybrid screws..... hate to screw it up. But I'm on a mission.
 
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I'd hit that guitar up with a JB Ceramic in the bridge and a Screamin Demon in the neck or a Pearly Gates bridge in the neck.
 
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I think it would sound great with the SD neck and a hotter pickup at the bridge... problem is it would be so much louder than my other guitars and it would screw up all my clean patch balances. That was one of the reasons I pulled the stock bridge pickup with the 18lb. ceramic magnet. It sounded great for aggressive music, but my other guitars have more vintage-wound PUPS (McCarty, LP, McInturff; my strats have Kinman Woodstocks or Alnico Virtual II's). So it's not just about PUPS that work, I'm trying to get it to "fit in to da family". This guitar is hard to get right but it's getting much closer.
 
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I did a little demon round robin today, I went thru an A2, a Ceramic, and back to an A8.

The A2 in the demon just didn't work to my ear, too weak. I suspect that lack of a slug coil really does something there. Maybe in another guitar it would work, but heat-wise it couldn't even hold its own against the A2P at the neck.

The ceramic was interesting. In the SC250 I thought it didn't have enough oomph in the low mids, but it was very flat across the tone spectrum and the bottom was super-tight. Very articulate for Steve Morse-ish fast picked runs and muted things. In a guitar with more solid low mids it would be killer for a slightly hotter than vintage shred pickup. So the Demon-C is a contender for a darker low-middy guitar.

I'm back to the Demon8 with twelve screw slugs, it seems to work in this guitar. The A2P at the neck has the three low-string screws replaced with hex's, which tamed that little bit of low-end woof I was getting. The neck PUP screams in high gain mode now, can't get enough. And switching back and forth from the Demon8 there's negligible volume or gain change.

That A2P at the necks sounds so nice, I think I'd like the same tone at the bridge, but with enough extra heat to keep up with the neck. Wonder what an A2P8 would sound like..... ;-)
 
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