Set up Question

[SpeedDemon]

Hi everyone i am new to the boards and i have my first problem,
i will be getting a new guitar/amp and crap in december i have something in mind but..... dont know if its gonna work here ya go(i play metal)

Fender Fat Strat (should i go fro the double fat?/ plan on swappin out pup's)
Peavey Classic 30
Ibanez Tube screamer( i am assuming i need this for more bite from the amp, should i get it modded?)


well i hope you can help me thanks.

P.S for those that dont know the peavey is a tube amp

 

[some_dude]

Re: Set up Question

Hi everyone i am new to the boards and i have my first problem,
i will be getting a new guitar/amp and crap in december i have something in mind but..... dont know if its gonna work here ya go(i play metal)

Fender Fat Strat (should i go fro the double fat?/ plan on swappin out pup's)

I have a Fat, and a Double Fat Strat. Both kick ass.

Peavey Classic 30
Ibanez Tube screamer( i am assuming i need this for more bite from the amp, should i get it modded?)

Buy your amp first, then get the pedal. I wouldn't worry about getting the Tubescreamer modded until you've had it for awhile. Many people like them just fine the way they are.

 

[SpeedDemon]

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Ok thanks for the info i noticed you have emgs in your les paul do you like them?(and how is the epiphone overall i was looking at one of those)
im assuming its a 81/81 or 81/60 combo and by the way do you think the classic plus the tube screamer would make good enough gain to play metal? thrash metal usely

 

[some_dude]

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I really like the EMGs (81 bridge, 85 neck).

The only Epi LP I've tried that I like the feel of is the Gothic, but I've yet to try an Epi LP Custom as they don't carry them around here. Epi makes some good guitars, but my suggestion is to play as many as you can and pick the best one of the lot.

I've never tried the Classic 30, so I can't comment on it. I have heard good things about it though.

About the TS-9 (Tubescreamer), if the amp doesn't have enough gain without it I wouldn't suggest using a TS-9 to boost it. It's a very compressed sounding pedal, which is great for leads, but it will make your sound really messy and sloppy if you use it for rhythm work. If you want a good rhythm boost pedal, take a look at a Boss SD-1, Proco Rat, or an MXR Wylde Overdrive.

 

[SpeedDemon]

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i know for a fact that the peavey classic has very little gain no where near enough, i play mostly metal rhythm like megadeth ,metallica, anthrax, exodus,and my own stuff mostly thrash do you know of any amps that would work good for that stuff? preferably a tube amp they usely sound alot better.

P.S how did you make those setup pics? like the ones in guitar world magizine and crap

 

[some_dude]

Re: Set up Question

i know for a fact that the peavey classic has very little gain no where near enough, i play mostly metal rhythm like megadeth ,metallica, anthrax, exodus,and my own stuff mostly thrash do you know of any amps that would work good for that stuff? preferably a tube amp they usely sound alot better.

How much do you wanna spend? And will you be gigging, or are you a bedroom player?

P.S how did you make those setup pics? like the ones in guitar world magizine and crap

guitargeek.com

Check out the rig pics. I cut and paste into MS Paint. Just don't use them for profit, the guy who owns the images tends to get upset when people do that.

 

[SpeedDemon]

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about the amp i have like a 100-650 maybe more canadian i probably will be gettin the amp in like february because all my money is goin into a new guitar first, i will be giggin as soon as i get my new band started but i probably wont be gigging too much. for the most part im a bedroom player.... although sometimes i like to piss the neighbors off lol.

 

[Imp]

Re: Set up Question

look at second hand valve combos if you think there's gonna be band action anytime soon - most valve combos bigger than say 30w will handle bedroom practice and gigging situations for minimal outlay (and maximum tone ) also, prefereably one with an external cab out, should you want more air moving.

i got a DSL401 from marshall, i'd recommend it for metal sounds at most volume ranges, though it has broken down and been repaired under warrenty before now

 

[SpeedDemon]

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By the way screamingdaisy how hard was it to find a place to put the battery?
did you have to route a place for it to fit?

 

[Imp]

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no, EMG's come with their own, smaller pots (25k)

i fitted 2 9v batteries in with the pots in a les paul cavity, and its *just* possible to put two in under a strat pickguard. one 9v should pose no problems...

 

[proxy]

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I'd get a DSL401, a used one could be had in your price range.

 

[some_dude]

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By the way screamingdaisy how hard was it to find a place to put the battery?
did you have to route a place for it to fit?

I stuffed two in the control cavity.

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If you're looking primarily at bedroom playing with the occasional gig, I'd look into a Marshall ValveState. They sound good at lower volumes, and the AVT275 will still sound decent at gig volumes. I've also heard good things about the Vox Valvetronix, although I've yet to try one personally.

If you're primarily looking at a gig amp, go all tube. Keeping in mind you're after a thrashy amp, get a used Marshall JCM800, JCM900, JCM2000, Laney, Peavey 5150, or a Crate Blue Voodoo. Some of those amps might require an overdrive pedal of some sort to hit the high gain you might be after. I'd also suggest a Mesa/Boogie of some sort, but they might be out of your price range.

Ampwise, Megadeth uses a little of everything, Slayer uses JCM800s with EMGs to boost the preamp, Metallica uses anything made by Mesa/Boogie. I'm not sure what Anthrax or Exodus use.

 

[SpeedDemon]

Re: Set up Question

ok thx everyone you've all been a great help

one more thing though wat would a jcm800,5150 or blue voodoo go for used screamingdaisy? (canadian dollars) o and would you suggest ebay for the used amps??

 

[some_dude]

Re: Set up Question

ok thx everyone you've all been a great help

one more thing though wat would a jcm800,5150 or blue voodoo go for used screamingdaisy? (canadian dollars) o and would you suggest ebay for the used amps??

I don't know prices just now as I haven't been actively looking....

....I don't like Ebay that much, but they are a good way to get ahold of used gear at good prices. Just make sure you don't get carried away in the excitement of it all and over bid. :wink:

 

[Lewguitar]

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For metal, I think you'd like the Boss DS-1 more than the Tubescreamer. Satriani and Vai have the DS-1 all over thier CD's.

For metal, dual humbuckers seem to be the norm. Go for a guitar with dual HB's.

If you want a JCM-800, buy one off of Ebay...just do a search. Try to find one from '82 or so with vertical hi/lo inputs....NOT side by side. It'll sound better...much ballsier version of that amp.

Lew

 

[SpeedDemon]

Re: Set up Question

:saeek: daaamn jcm800's are expensive new/used
couldnt find any blue voodoo's the 5150 is overpriced but.... the DSL400 is the cheapest but couldnt find any used ones..... is it really worth the money to go for a tube amp???

screamingdaisy lets say i waited a while longer and got more money would like a mesa rect-o-verb(the 50 watt combo)? would it be worth the money and the wait

EDIT: i was just on the mesa site looking at there "tube preamp designs"
was looking at the V-1 Bottle Rocket distortio pedal pre amp would that be worth buying to run it to a decent tube amp for mesa-like distortion?

:smack: sorry for the long post

 

[some_dude]

Re: Set up Question

:saeek: daaamn jcm800's are expensive new/used
couldnt find any blue voodoo's the 5150 is overpriced but.... the DSL400 is the cheapest but couldnt find any used ones..... is it really worth the money to go for a tube amp???

Yes. If you're into metal of any sort, you pretty much want tube.

screamingdaisy lets say i waited a while longer and got more money would like a mesa rect-o-verb(the 50 watt combo)? would it be worth the money and the wait

The Rect-o-Verb will give you a very modern high gain sound. Think Black Album Metallica, System of a Down, ect. It also has an excellent clean channel.

Whether it's worth saving up for is up to you. Personally, I'd rather have a great amp and a crappy guitar (with good pickups).

EDIT: i was just on the mesa site looking at there "tube preamp designs"
was looking at the V-1 Bottle Rocket distortio pedal pre amp would that be worth buying to run it to a decent tube amp for mesa-like distortion?

:smack: sorry for the long post

The V-1 is said to be out of production, so it might be hard to order in if a local dealer doesn't already have one. Either way, I'm pretty sure those V-1's are over $400 CAD, and the V-Twin is around $650 or so.....

If you can afford it, I'd hold off for awhile and save for a new/used JCM800 or Rect-o-Verb, depending on the sound you're after.

 

[SpeedDemon]

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ya the rect-o-verb or the JCM800 2x12 is lookin pretty damn good for what i need in an amp my local shop doesnt sell mesa though so might be hard to find one would you recomend the les paul gothic? my shop has one of those and a G400 gothic, they also carry jacksons,BC rich,gibson,godin, and yamaha
what would you recomend for guitars?

 

[some_dude]

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Epis are good guitars for the $$$.

I didn't like the feel of the G-400.

I like BC Rich's, but many people dislike them due to shape. There build quality can be kinda flaky, so try a bunch out and grab the best (same goes for any guitar).

Gibson's are good, but pricy. If you can afford one, I'd go for it over the Epi's. I acually chose my Epi over a couple of Gibsons because I think it felt better in my hands, but I've tried many Epis out since without the same effect.

Godin is worth every penny, and then some. I'll be getting a Godin LG P90 after Christmas. The Godin LG HMB is a great axe too, and a little more suited to metal.

Yamaha, I've only tried one and I didn't like it. It was a short scale Strat clone, and it felt like crap.

 

[y2stevo]

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In the Amp department i'd recommend that you at least try out the DSL, I have the DSL50 and love it, you can get brilliant cleans and crazy amound of gain on tap too..I'd also recommend that you try out the Vox Valvetronix, there also great amps..