guitarzinc10
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Does anyone know if a JB neck pickup exists? If so is it a Custom Shop pickup?
Sh-4n, JB Neck Pickup
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jake_xms3_punk
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Re: Sh-4n, JB Neck Pickup
not that i know of, people have used a bridge jb in the neck with good results. a duncan distorion neck with an A5 mag would be pretty much a JBn
not that i know of, people have used a bridge jb in the neck with good results. a duncan distorion neck with an A5 mag would be pretty much a JBn
Aceman
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Re: Sh-4n, JB Neck Pickup
Why am i the only person who REALLY gets this?
There is a pickup called the Jazz. It is an excellent match in the neck for the JB. At least, Jeff Beck and Seymour agree on this issue. It IS NOT a JB neck model. There is also a Jazz Bridge version.
The JB has exactly the same wind as the Distortion. The difference is that the Distortion uses a ceramic magnet and the JB uses an A5 magnet. If you place an A5 in a distortion, you have a JB. If you put a ceramic in a JB, you have a Distortion.
There is a Bridge and a Neck model of the Distortion. The neck model of the Distortion uses a ceramic magnet.
If you take a Distortion neck, and swap the ceramic magnet for an A5, you will have an honest to goodness (although not officially sanctioned) JB NECK model.
Some people of stout constitution do in fact use a full on JB in the neck.
[edit] apologies Jake - you apparently get it too!
Why am i the only person who REALLY gets this?
There is a pickup called the Jazz. It is an excellent match in the neck for the JB. At least, Jeff Beck and Seymour agree on this issue. It IS NOT a JB neck model. There is also a Jazz Bridge version.
The JB has exactly the same wind as the Distortion. The difference is that the Distortion uses a ceramic magnet and the JB uses an A5 magnet. If you place an A5 in a distortion, you have a JB. If you put a ceramic in a JB, you have a Distortion.
There is a Bridge and a Neck model of the Distortion. The neck model of the Distortion uses a ceramic magnet.
If you take a Distortion neck, and swap the ceramic magnet for an A5, you will have an honest to goodness (although not officially sanctioned) JB NECK model.
Some people of stout constitution do in fact use a full on JB in the neck.
[edit] apologies Jake - you apparently get it too!
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AudioWonderland
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Aceman
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guitarzinc10
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Re: Sh-4n, JB Neck Pickup
There's one on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170671759884&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
There's one on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170671759884&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
misterwhizzy
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Re: Sh-4n, JB Neck Pickup
I used the Distortion neck with A5 for a while. It's still a bit bright for my tastes. There are definitely some good tones in it, though. I just prefer a warmer tone. With A2, it was atrocious, but with A5 it sounds pretty good. I ended up with a 59 neck, but if you like the higher output, it may work for you.
I used the Distortion neck with A5 for a while. It's still a bit bright for my tastes. There are definitely some good tones in it, though. I just prefer a warmer tone. With A2, it was atrocious, but with A5 it sounds pretty good. I ended up with a 59 neck, but if you like the higher output, it may work for you.
Re: Sh-4n, JB Neck Pickup
sorry explain to me how a distortion neck which is wound to 12k becomes a JB which has a DC of 16K by simply changing the magnet? i understand that a JB and distortion are the same pickup with differnet magnets but a distortion neck is not the same as the bridge.
sorry explain to me how a distortion neck which is wound to 12k becomes a JB which has a DC of 16K by simply changing the magnet? i understand that a JB and distortion are the same pickup with differnet magnets but a distortion neck is not the same as the bridge.
FuseG4
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Re: Sh-4n, JB Neck Pickup
no one said it was exactly the same.
With duncans, any neck model is usually wound to have the same type of sound as the bridge model of the same name, but with lower output and more brightness, to balance out the guitar.
A Distortion *bridge* is a JB with a ceramic mag.
A distortion *neck* is a brighter, underwound distortion. Therefore with an A5 it'd be the closest thing one could get to having a brighter, underwound JB. Thus, JB neck model.
no one said it was exactly the same.
With duncans, any neck model is usually wound to have the same type of sound as the bridge model of the same name, but with lower output and more brightness, to balance out the guitar.
A Distortion *bridge* is a JB with a ceramic mag.
A distortion *neck* is a brighter, underwound distortion. Therefore with an A5 it'd be the closest thing one could get to having a brighter, underwound JB. Thus, JB neck model.
AudioWonderland
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9unslin9er
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Re: Sh-4n, JB Neck Pickup
MEGA ZOMBIE RESURRECTION!
So. I just purchased a Kramer Pacer Vintage (reissue) model. I got it for super cheap and they feel just as nice, if not better than the original Sports abominations.
Anyhoo, the Kramer website lists both the Vintage line as well as the Satchel (Steel Panther) signature model as equipped with a JB/JN set.
Which, I always thought..."Huh?" but never actually researched the specs.
Well the official Kramer site reads the following:
"A high-output Seymour Duncan™ JB® humbucking pickup in the bridge position and a more vintage-voiced JN® in the neck provide the Pacer Vintage with the optimum firepower and versatility. Both are made with genuine Alnico V magnets and wound with 42-AWG copper wire with a DC resistance reading of over 16K ohms. The result gives you everything from scorching lead tones to massive crunch, but always with plenty of clarity and excellent note definition. The JN® in the neck reads a cooler 7.74K ohms for smooth, warm tones with impressive articulation."
Again..."Huh?" Since a Duncan Distortion neck model reads a hot 13k DCR and, thus is not a mere palette swap (A5 for Ceramic magnet)
A Jazz model reads 7.5k, which is close but not exact.
A JB Jr. neck model is ceramic and 10.1k, to account for the change in magnetic field.
So...none of the above exactly match the mystical "JN" model. But the Jazz certainly seems closest.
Though it could very well be a re-badged '59 as well. Only Seymour knows for sure!
MEGA ZOMBIE RESURRECTION!
So. I just purchased a Kramer Pacer Vintage (reissue) model. I got it for super cheap and they feel just as nice, if not better than the original Sports abominations.
Anyhoo, the Kramer website lists both the Vintage line as well as the Satchel (Steel Panther) signature model as equipped with a JB/JN set.
Which, I always thought..."Huh?" but never actually researched the specs.
Well the official Kramer site reads the following:
"A high-output Seymour Duncan™ JB® humbucking pickup in the bridge position and a more vintage-voiced JN® in the neck provide the Pacer Vintage with the optimum firepower and versatility. Both are made with genuine Alnico V magnets and wound with 42-AWG copper wire with a DC resistance reading of over 16K ohms. The result gives you everything from scorching lead tones to massive crunch, but always with plenty of clarity and excellent note definition. The JN® in the neck reads a cooler 7.74K ohms for smooth, warm tones with impressive articulation."
Again..."Huh?" Since a Duncan Distortion neck model reads a hot 13k DCR and, thus is not a mere palette swap (A5 for Ceramic magnet)
A Jazz model reads 7.5k, which is close but not exact.
A JB Jr. neck model is ceramic and 10.1k, to account for the change in magnetic field.
So...none of the above exactly match the mystical "JN" model. But the Jazz certainly seems closest.
Though it could very well be a re-badged '59 as well. Only Seymour knows for sure!
Myaccount876
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Re: Sh-4n, JB Neck Pickup
You're both wrong. The SH-6n Distortion neck pickup is actually the renamed SH-7 Seymourizer. The SH-7 was its own pickup, and wasn't calibrated to work specifically as a neck pickup for the Distortion - it just happened to work great as a high gain neck pickup so it got paired with a Distortion a lot. An A5 in a SH-6n does not become an "SH-4n", it becomes a Seymourizer with an A5. It is its own pickup.
If the logic of commonly using the SH-7 in the neck alongside the SH-6 makes the SH-7 an "SH-6n", then the neck model that corresponds to a JB is a Jazz Model. They were actually designed to go together (unlike the SH-6/SH-7 set) for Jeff Beck, and the two pickups have been going together for decades, and you can buy them as a set, just like the SH-6/SH-7 comes as a set. The Jazz Model is the JB's corresponding neck pickup.
As for saying the SH-6 and SH-4 have the same wind: Prove it. Or is it just more internet drivel? Seymour Duncan has neither confirmed nor denied that the winds are the same, so making a claim to either would require proof. Sure, they can be very similar, but that doesn't mean "identical".
You're both wrong. The SH-6n Distortion neck pickup is actually the renamed SH-7 Seymourizer. The SH-7 was its own pickup, and wasn't calibrated to work specifically as a neck pickup for the Distortion - it just happened to work great as a high gain neck pickup so it got paired with a Distortion a lot. An A5 in a SH-6n does not become an "SH-4n", it becomes a Seymourizer with an A5. It is its own pickup.
If the logic of commonly using the SH-7 in the neck alongside the SH-6 makes the SH-7 an "SH-6n", then the neck model that corresponds to a JB is a Jazz Model. They were actually designed to go together (unlike the SH-6/SH-7 set) for Jeff Beck, and the two pickups have been going together for decades, and you can buy them as a set, just like the SH-6/SH-7 comes as a set. The Jazz Model is the JB's corresponding neck pickup.
As for saying the SH-6 and SH-4 have the same wind: Prove it. Or is it just more internet drivel? Seymour Duncan has neither confirmed nor denied that the winds are the same, so making a claim to either would require proof. Sure, they can be very similar, but that doesn't mean "identical".
Aceman
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Re: Sh-4n, JB Neck Pickup
EXCUUUUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEE me - let me edit and add a small omission -
The JB and the Distortion are NOT EXACTLY the same wind. But they are so damn close that I cannot describe how many F&^%^'s I don't give, but it would require a tesseract to hold them all.
I maintain, correctly…
If you want a pickup that goes well with a JB, especially in dark guitar necks, and is versatile, get a Jazz.
If you want a very similar to the bridge pup tone/feel/eq, get a Distortion neck, replace mag with an A5, and you'll be so close it just won't effing matter.
Or….Man up and just put a REAL JB in the neck too. 'Zerb approved.
EXCUUUUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEE me - let me edit and add a small omission -
The JB and the Distortion are NOT EXACTLY the same wind. But they are so damn close that I cannot describe how many F&^%^'s I don't give, but it would require a tesseract to hold them all.
I maintain, correctly…
If you want a pickup that goes well with a JB, especially in dark guitar necks, and is versatile, get a Jazz.
If you want a very similar to the bridge pup tone/feel/eq, get a Distortion neck, replace mag with an A5, and you'll be so close it just won't effing matter.
Or….Man up and just put a REAL JB in the neck too. 'Zerb approved.
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9unslin9er
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Re: Sh-4n, JB Neck Pickup
I personally don't have any fux to give about the bridge model.
All I want to know is if the JB neck model is a custom wind for OEM manufacturers or it's a rebadged '59/Jazz.
Since it's clearly not just a A5 Seymourizer.
People swear they can hear the difference between a Seth Lover and an Antiquity.
I'd say the 6k DCR between a SH-4n and an A5 SH-6n would get noticed pretty quickly.
I personally don't have any fux to give about the bridge model.
All I want to know is if the JB neck model is a custom wind for OEM manufacturers or it's a rebadged '59/Jazz.
Since it's clearly not just a A5 Seymourizer.
People swear they can hear the difference between a Seth Lover and an Antiquity.
I'd say the 6k DCR between a SH-4n and an A5 SH-6n would get noticed pretty quickly.
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Re: Sh-4n, JB Neck Pickup
I just received an older SD pup in trade. The fella told me "Believe it or not, it's a JB, but it's a neck pickup". I've used SD pups since the beginning, but had never heard of a JB neck pup, so I just said "Hmmm...interesting"! This has the JBJ sticker on the back, (wound by you know who!) four conductor and a gold cover. However, since it was in his LP for well over 20 years, the gold has worn off to where it looks like a naturally relic'd nickel cover.
I'm just getting ready to meter it and see where it clocks in. I have no use for it at the moment, so will list it for sale. I have a local offer, but would much rather sell it to a forum member. I found a trading post thread from a few years ago where a member had two and sold them for $80 each, (and that's what local fella offered) so without spending time doing ebay/reverb/yada yada searches, is that a fair price to ask?
I just received an older SD pup in trade. The fella told me "Believe it or not, it's a JB, but it's a neck pickup". I've used SD pups since the beginning, but had never heard of a JB neck pup, so I just said "Hmmm...interesting"! This has the JBJ sticker on the back, (wound by you know who!) four conductor and a gold cover. However, since it was in his LP for well over 20 years, the gold has worn off to where it looks like a naturally relic'd nickel cover.
I'm just getting ready to meter it and see where it clocks in. I have no use for it at the moment, so will list it for sale. I have a local offer, but would much rather sell it to a forum member. I found a trading post thread from a few years ago where a member had two and sold them for $80 each, (and that's what local fella offered) so without spending time doing ebay/reverb/yada yada searches, is that a fair price to ask?
Falloffthebonetone
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Re: Sh-4n, JB Neck Pickup
Yeah for a while in the 90s, the stock name for them was the JB set. It's what Dave Murray used for Fear of the Dark and what Dave Mustaine used (you can hear him mention in interviews he used JBs, but he has always technically had a Jazz neck-hence his pickup set being tuned to JB Jazz voicings). It sometimes wasn't 2 JBs in each position, but the Jazz for a while was just also refered to as the "JBn" for a while. So the Jazz is the closest thing there is and probably ever will be, even though it has a specific bridge model associated with it and the JB doesn't have an official neck JB model. I guess in some places the whole JB set thing stuck around. For ones where there are JB's in both positions, it's a dead give away because the neck position isn't flipped, so it still has screw/logo side towards the bridge.
Yeah for a while in the 90s, the stock name for them was the JB set. It's what Dave Murray used for Fear of the Dark and what Dave Mustaine used (you can hear him mention in interviews he used JBs, but he has always technically had a Jazz neck-hence his pickup set being tuned to JB Jazz voicings). It sometimes wasn't 2 JBs in each position, but the Jazz for a while was just also refered to as the "JBn" for a while. So the Jazz is the closest thing there is and probably ever will be, even though it has a specific bridge model associated with it and the JB doesn't have an official neck JB model. I guess in some places the whole JB set thing stuck around. For ones where there are JB's in both positions, it's a dead give away because the neck position isn't flipped, so it still has screw/logo side towards the bridge.
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Re: Sh-4n, JB Neck Pickup
Just metered the old boy and it creaked in at a measly 17.38K! I know, I know....but Yikes! I think the highest output bucker I've ever used was around 10K. Still, since it's been many, mnay moons since I last used a JB, (in the bridge though) I'm quite interested to hear how it sounds in the neck.
Just metered the old boy and it creaked in at a measly 17.38K! I know, I know....but Yikes! I think the highest output bucker I've ever used was around 10K. Still, since it's been many, mnay moons since I last used a JB, (in the bridge though) I'm quite interested to hear how it sounds in the neck.
9unslin9er
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Re: Sh-4n, JB Neck Pickup
I'd really be happier if someone from the SD custom shop just said...
"Oh yeah. The JB neck. Yeah it's pretty much just a Jazz model."
OR!
"Oh yeah. The JB neck. Yeah it's pretty much just a Seymourizer with an A5 magnet."
But obviously they haven't. So everybody else on this page: Credibility-0
I'd really be happier if someone from the SD custom shop just said...
"Oh yeah. The JB neck. Yeah it's pretty much just a Jazz model."
OR!
"Oh yeah. The JB neck. Yeah it's pretty much just a Seymourizer with an A5 magnet."
But obviously they haven't. So everybody else on this page: Credibility-0
