Looking for some recommendations to get a good hairband metal tone out of a Marshall Silver Jubilee combo. The guitar used will be a super strat style guitar with string-through T-O-M bridge, 25.5" scale, rosewood fretboard, maple neck, mahogany body + 5/8" thick flattop made of quilted maple. The tone I'm mostly going for is a bright (I like bright, I hate harsh and icepicky), harmonically rich kickass 80's tone (think Lynch e.g. "The Hunter"). I'm leaning towards a JB or Distortion, but maybe the Screaming Demon is also an option? I'm mostly wondering about the JB's and the Distortions strenghts on rhythm vs. lead (from my understanding the consesus is that JB is better for lead and Distortion is better for rhythm). And it also beats me whether George used mostly Distortion or JB for those typical tones from his 82-87 Dokken era. Could both pups do the Geo sound? Can the Screaming Demon drive the amp well enough??? Lotsa questions really, but any answers and further enlighening are welcome. Does anyone have any links to where George posted his gear info on these forums???? Oh, and it wouldn't hurt if the setup could do other types of metal tones either, and even a little clean stuff! Oh, the neck pup will probably be a Pearly Gates, is that a good match to JB/Distortion/SD? Goodnight all, will check back first thing tomorrow morning :wink:
Silver Jub. + metal tones, what pup?
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theodie
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Re: Silver Jub. + metal tones, what pup?
I would recomend a full shred for the bright 80's stuff since I am not a JB fan but, the JB was used by just about everyone in the 80's.
I would recomend a full shred for the bright 80's stuff since I am not a JB fan but, the JB was used by just about everyone in the 80's.
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shred-dog
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Re: Silver Jub. + metal tones, what pup?
when i had my jcm800(2204) w/boss sd-1 or ibanez ts-9 i had no problem pulling off the "lynch type 80's tone" with a JB i think with the extra gain that a jubilee has over a jcm800 that a screamin' demon would work as well . it might be better since the type of wood you are using either one would get you close :headbang:
when i had my jcm800(2204) w/boss sd-1 or ibanez ts-9 i had no problem pulling off the "lynch type 80's tone" with a JB i think with the extra gain that a jubilee has over a jcm800 that a screamin' demon would work as well . it might be better since the type of wood you are using either one would get you close :headbang:
Re: Silver Jub. + metal tones, what pup?
Hey Rainmaker, did you call up George yet?
Oh, since you're from Perth, I'm getting my guitar made by Perry Ormsby at Ormsby Guitars, he's a local to you 
Theodie, what was that "clique" thing about, did I miss something??
Mrid, thanks for the input
Shreddog, I don't find the Silver Jub to be that gainy, but then again, I mostly play at low volume. Would you reckon his typical Dokken sound could be achieved with the Demon as well? Heard some people say it doesn't have the harmonics and the drive of a Distortion or JB...
ranalli, yup, I've READ that he used a distortion a lot in the early days, but HEARD rumours he used the JB a lot on recordings???? I'm still leaning towards a decent high output pup to help out with the harmonics and the "revving engine" type of effect his rhythm sound has. Listen to The Hunter or Into the Fire for instance (like the third power chord on Into the Fire), some of his chords just go vroooooom if that makes any sense??? Oh, and the lead sound ain't too shabby either, lol
Hey Rainmaker, did you call up George yet?
Oh, since you're from Perth, I'm getting my guitar made by Perry Ormsby at Ormsby Guitars, he's a local to you Theodie, what was that "clique" thing about, did I miss something??
Mrid, thanks for the input
Shreddog, I don't find the Silver Jub to be that gainy, but then again, I mostly play at low volume. Would you reckon his typical Dokken sound could be achieved with the Demon as well? Heard some people say it doesn't have the harmonics and the drive of a Distortion or JB...
ranalli, yup, I've READ that he used a distortion a lot in the early days, but HEARD rumours he used the JB a lot on recordings???? I'm still leaning towards a decent high output pup to help out with the harmonics and the "revving engine" type of effect his rhythm sound has. Listen to The Hunter or Into the Fire for instance (like the third power chord on Into the Fire), some of his chords just go vroooooom if that makes any sense??? Oh, and the lead sound ain't too shabby either, lol
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TwilightOdyssey
Darkness on the edge of Tone
Re: Silver Jub. + metal tones, what pup?
In the meanwhile, I would say you have 3 pickup choices:
1. DISTORTION ... this is a good pickup for lead tones, but you will suffer in the riff department, IMO. I like the distortion pup a lot, and for tracking leads it's great, but in a live situation, it's much harder to get the kind of versatility you will require.
2. JB ... this is the standard, go-to pup for this kind of application, only because the pup is so versatile and transparent ... that means it can be the foundation for any number of killer tones.
3. SCREAMIN' DEMON ... to me, this is the ultimate metal pup. The best part about it is that it's NOT a high output monster, but a rather refined, medium output pup, with lots of growl and high frequency engergy (think of a nice 5k peak for plenty of lead bite), but it's not really warm sounding. Combined with an overdrive pedal, you are well on your way to a great 80's metal tone!
Basic thoughts for dialing in a tone similar to The Hunter:
There are actually about 3 different tones going on there, but here's what I do to get this kind of tone:
For approximate settings try this in the gain channel of your Marshall:
Bass 2
Mid 3
Treble 2
Presence 7-9
Gain 4-6
This will give you a nice, balanced tone, well-saturated, but not distorting.
Then add an overdrive pedal with everything at about 12 o'clock. This is a good starting point: Your tone will have nice bite, low noise, killer sustain, and harmonic complexity. The gain structure will be thick and rich sounding, without being a Metallica-style wall of distortion.
Through the fx loop run a chorus pedal and a Boss GE-7. Set the GE-7 for a nice 2-4k boost and an overall 10dB boost in level. Engage this for a boost when you're soloing.
Use the chorusing or a Boss PS-5 set to the detune setting to thicken things up a bit.
Add reverb to tatse, if you want (I don't use any 'verb) ...
Well, you're off to a good start with a Silver Jubilee and a humbucker-equipped guitar. Ultimately, you will need a guitar with a Floyd Rose bridge tho. It's not just about nailing the 80's sound; part of the tone comes from interacting with the components necessary to make that kind of sound, and to do that, you will need a Floyd-equipped guitar.Rainmaker said:I'll call TO... hold on
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In the meanwhile, I would say you have 3 pickup choices:
1. DISTORTION ... this is a good pickup for lead tones, but you will suffer in the riff department, IMO. I like the distortion pup a lot, and for tracking leads it's great, but in a live situation, it's much harder to get the kind of versatility you will require.
2. JB ... this is the standard, go-to pup for this kind of application, only because the pup is so versatile and transparent ... that means it can be the foundation for any number of killer tones.
3. SCREAMIN' DEMON ... to me, this is the ultimate metal pup. The best part about it is that it's NOT a high output monster, but a rather refined, medium output pup, with lots of growl and high frequency engergy (think of a nice 5k peak for plenty of lead bite), but it's not really warm sounding. Combined with an overdrive pedal, you are well on your way to a great 80's metal tone!
Basic thoughts for dialing in a tone similar to The Hunter:
There are actually about 3 different tones going on there, but here's what I do to get this kind of tone:
For approximate settings try this in the gain channel of your Marshall:
Bass 2
Mid 3
Treble 2
Presence 7-9
Gain 4-6
This will give you a nice, balanced tone, well-saturated, but not distorting.
Then add an overdrive pedal with everything at about 12 o'clock. This is a good starting point: Your tone will have nice bite, low noise, killer sustain, and harmonic complexity. The gain structure will be thick and rich sounding, without being a Metallica-style wall of distortion.
Through the fx loop run a chorus pedal and a Boss GE-7. Set the GE-7 for a nice 2-4k boost and an overall 10dB boost in level. Engage this for a boost when you're soloing.
Use the chorusing or a Boss PS-5 set to the detune setting to thicken things up a bit.
Add reverb to tatse, if you want (I don't use any 'verb) ...
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TwilightOdyssey
Darkness on the edge of Tone
Re: Silver Jub. + metal tones, what pup?
Yes, definitely. In fact, Haji, which is the guitar most associated with his Lynch Mob days (aka, the Skull and Snakes guitar) had a Demon in the bridge as well. The Screamin' Demon is by far my favourite Duncan pickup. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!!IceAak said:Thanks for the reply Twilight, that was pretty detailed
JammerMatt
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Re: Silver Jub. + metal tones, what pup?
Hey T.O. I went and tried this with my JCM 800 setting on my Line 6. I put the TS9 in front. Now, typically, my tonal and gain settings are more like B=8, M=9, T=7 with Gain = 7.
You're right brother, this has a more "Complex" sound. Surprisingly, it is still quite overdriven using my JB-equipped Jackson. Surprisingly also, the pinch harms sounded better. It could just be the Vicadin talking, tho. Anyway, I'll have to explore that a bit more. Thanx for the tip, man!
TwilightOdyssey said:
Hey T.O. I went and tried this with my JCM 800 setting on my Line 6. I put the TS9 in front. Now, typically, my tonal and gain settings are more like B=8, M=9, T=7 with Gain = 7.
You're right brother, this has a more "Complex" sound. Surprisingly, it is still quite overdriven using my JB-equipped Jackson. Surprisingly also, the pinch harms sounded better. It could just be the Vicadin talking, tho. Anyway, I'll have to explore that a bit more. Thanx for the tip, man!
TwilightOdyssey
Darkness on the edge of Tone
Re: Silver Jub. + metal tones, what pup?
Matt, IMO, when you turn the JCM 800 (the real one, that is -- not sure how the model works) above 6 in the gain dept, it gets a bit too "buzzy" for my liking.
Stacking gain stages is the only way you're gonna get that nice, deep dish distortion sound we all crave when doing pinch harmonics, etc. An amp with the gain up full throttle, to me, can be one-dimensional and "chalky" sounding (esp on a Peavey head). The exception to this are amps that have really nice stacked gain stages, like VHT, Bogner, Diesel, Engl, etc. When using my Engl, I usually keep the gain at about 4-5 with no OD pedal, just the Fat Boost for solos. With my other amps, it's the same gain setting, but with the OD in front.
And you know how much I like that old school tone!!
Matt, IMO, when you turn the JCM 800 (the real one, that is -- not sure how the model works) above 6 in the gain dept, it gets a bit too "buzzy" for my liking.
Stacking gain stages is the only way you're gonna get that nice, deep dish distortion sound we all crave when doing pinch harmonics, etc. An amp with the gain up full throttle, to me, can be one-dimensional and "chalky" sounding (esp on a Peavey head). The exception to this are amps that have really nice stacked gain stages, like VHT, Bogner, Diesel, Engl, etc. When using my Engl, I usually keep the gain at about 4-5 with no OD pedal, just the Fat Boost for solos. With my other amps, it's the same gain setting, but with the OD in front.
And you know how much I like that old school tone!!