Slash Neck Humbucker

[SJ318]

Re: Slash Neck Humbucker

Lewguitar-
Thank you. Not to belabor the point, but 1 last question on PGates. There is a P.Gates+ on a Fender, the regulat P.Gates
from the shop, and the P.Gates Custom that you sat MJ winds a little hotter, taking a little edge off. So this P.Gates + I have heard of - is that the same as the Custom MJ version you speak of?
I think I heard or read the PGates+ came in a Strat, so what would you order from Duncan? A "+" or a "custom" to
get the one you talk about. It sounds good, I have always wondered about that as a purchase.
Thanks, sorry to bug you again,
Permanently curious,
Steve B.

 

[darthphineas]

Re: Slash Neck Humbucker

Seems when Evan was still a part of the company that he would say the PG+ is primarily a PG with an A5. Maybe a little hotter (the search feature might help with that)

Anything you get from MJ in her custom shop can be made anyway you want it and not simply limited to how someone else got theirs. Give her a call, she can also officially confirm any questions about the PG+ as well.

 

[Lewguitar]

Re: Slash Neck Humbucker

Lewguitar-
Thank you. Not to belabor the point, but 1 last question on PGates. There is a P.Gates+ on a Fender, the regulat P.Gates
from the shop, and the P.Gates Custom that you sat MJ winds a little hotter, taking a little edge off. So this P.Gates + I have heard of - is that the same as the Custom MJ version you speak of?
I think I heard or read the PGates+ came in a Strat, so what would you order from Duncan? A "+" or a "custom" to
get the one you talk about. It sounds good, I have always wondered about that as a purchase.
Thanks, sorry to bug you again,
Permanently curious,
Steve B.

I've never owned or used a Pearly Gates Plus but from what I remember it's an alnico 5 pickup designed for the bridge position in a Fender Strat.

It is not the same pickup as the Custom Shop Pearly Gates, which like the regular Pearly Gates, uses an alnico 2 magnet.

The regular neck PG measure 7.3K and the CS version measures 7.8K.

The regular bridge PG measures 8.21K and the CS version measures 8.8K.

I have two sets of the Custom Shop PG's and they are in my two PRS Custom 22's.

My regular set is in my PRS SE Singlecut.

The Custom Shop set is very impressive and usually strikes me as sounding "better" than the regular PG's.

But I still love the regular PG's and sometimes I feel that the Custom Shop version is a little too hot...but not always.

It's nice to have choices.

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: Slash Neck Humbucker

Do you play clean? Or always with a lot of grind and distortion? Because neither pickup has ever seemed muddy to me.

I don't play hard rock or punk or heavy metal nor do I often use those tones.

I'm more of a jazzy, classic rock, pop and blues player and when I play rhythm I play clean and I play actual chords: 7th's and 9th's and major 7th's and major 9th's and 6th's and add 9 chords and 11th's and 13th's and all that. Actual chords.

Which makes me wonder if you who find the APH-2 or 59n "muddy" ever hear your guitar without pedals or distortion affecting the natural sound of the guitar.

+100 to that.

I would never in my life refer to the 59 as being muddy!!

OMG!!! If the 59 were considered as "muddy", then I would say that there are NO clean buckers in the world today.

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: Slash Neck Humbucker

I will say that I don't like any neck pickups in a 24 fret guitar, or at least none I've ever heard. Every pickup loses so much when it is in the 'wrong' place (this is true of SGs too), and I haven't liked any of them. For jazz or jazzy blues, (or any style that depends on thicker, touch-sensitive tones), the APH1 sounds amazing in 335s.

Have you tried the Demon?

 

[Mincer]

Re: Slash Neck Humbucker

Have you tried the Demon?

Not in a 335, or not in the neck of a 24 fret guitar.

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: Slash Neck Humbucker

Seems to me that everyone who posts here and gives gear recommendations should be required to include in their signature the style of music they play most often and the level of experience they have.

Because we have a lot of beginners and players with limited technique, and people who play with only a heavily distorted tone calling good pickups "crap" or "muddy" or "thin" or "weak" or "too bright" when it's the player and his gear and inexperience making those pickups sound that way.

Like the guy last week who kept trying new pickups and all of them sounded muffled and muddy...and then we helped him discover that he had wired his guitar in such a sloppy and inexperienced way, that his tone control was shorted out so that his guitar sounded like the tone control was always set on zero!

Great suggestion!

My "credentials"...
I started playing 59 years ago, started my first band 55 years ago playing 50s and 60s rock and some "soft rock", built my first guitar from scratch 51 years ago (a 12 string dreadnought), played in several bands since then in Calif (in the Bay Area and most recently in Sacramento), Utah, Toronto (Canada), and Alberta. I've played mostly Rock and Hard Rock but also some Blues, Jazz, Progressive, Punk, Pop, and some early metal. My band in the late 60s had a recording contract in San Francisco with the same producer who recorded The Great Society (Grace Slick before starting the Airplane). I've played clubs, dances, parties, and concerts (crowds as small as a dozen up to 5000 people). I've been making solid body electrics for about 10 years and currently own about 3 dozen guitars and 8 amps. Almost all of my guitars have various Seymour Duncan pups, but a few have Gibson, DMZ and Fender.

 

[SJ318]

Re: Slash Neck Humbucker

Ok-short version
63 YOA. Started with the Beatles. Blues/Rock since E.Clapt/Bloomfield in Mayal/Electric Flag. Played in Eric Burden's band. Opened for Bob Geldof, Devo, Triumph, Iron Butterfly, Bach/Turner, played with Harvey Mandel and Albert Collins, (when my band opened for them, had a go with each for a set or 2), these were long stretches of time with both.
J.Beck, Matt Scofield my hero's for years and years. Too many others to mention.
Would never have the nerve or talent to have a go with Beck or Schofield.
Still practice, legs slowly giving out due to spinal disease, can't stand on stage for more than 15 minutes, but it is worth the pain, rest for a song, get back up.
Love all things guitar and music in general, any style done well, I like.
Steve Buffington

 

[SJ318]

Re: Slash Neck Humbucker

Lewguitar,
Thanks, I am grateful for the info. I keep coming back to Duncan pickups, I just can't stop asking stuff that interests me.
Duncan plus magnet swaps, just wonderful musical fun.
Steve B.

 

[dotsdad]

Re: Slash Neck Humbucker

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We should also be required to READ THE ORIGINAL POSTER'S QUESTION before postng pretentious bullsh!t about "7th's and 9th's and major 7th's and major 9th's and 6th's and add 9 chords and 11th's and 13th's and all that."

The OP here specifically Stated that he does not like the 59 in his JACKSON and asked for opinions of the Slash pickup IN A SUPER STRAT. It is irrelevant how it sounds playing jazz on a 335. What matters is how it sounds IN A SUPERSTRAT

 

[Lewguitar]

Re: Slash Neck Humbucker

We should also be required to READ THE ORIGINAL POSTER'S QUESTION before postng pretentious bullsh!t about "7th's and 9th's and major 7th's and major 9th's and 6th's and add 9 chords and 11th's and 13th's and all that."

The OP here specifically Stated that he does not like the 59 in his JACKSON and asked for opinions of the Slash pickup IN A SUPER STRAT. It is irrelevant how it sounds playing jazz on a 335. What matters is how it sounds IN A SUPERSTRAT

Nothing wrong with grinding out power V chords with constant distortion if that's your bag.

"Follow your bliss" and all that.

But that kind of player's requirements for a neck pickup will likely be different from mine, since I do play chords with a cleanish tone, and the clarity and warm pluck I look for in a particular pickup might not be what El Distorto is looking for at all.

I do like the Slash pickup set a lot. Got 'em in a PRS Single cut. Not an ES-335.

 

[punchlinechar]

Re: Slash Neck Humbucker

Nothing wrong with grinding out power V chords with constant distortion if that's your bag.

"Follow your bliss" and all that.

But that kind of player's requirements for a neck pickup will likely be different from mine, since I do play chords with a cleanish tone, and the clarity and warm pluck I look for in a particular pickup might not be what El Distorto is looking for at all.

I do like the Slash pickup set a lot. Got 'em in a PRS Single cut. Not an ES-335.

That's not all I do bub.

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[punchlinechar]

Re: Slash Neck Humbucker

Would the Slash be smoother for leads and cleans? Think of the tone from estranged, and other slash tones. Would I get a similar vibe? My jackson is mahogany btw, with a JB in the bridge

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[Mincer]

Re: Slash Neck Humbucker

As someone who has used the Slash and the Alnico Pro II in Super Strats, yes, it is warmer than the 59 (btw, I play jazzy fusiony prog stuff, going from clean to about TS-levels of gain). The 59 has bigger bass, less mids. The Slash has more mids, but less bass. The 59 is tighter. I think the Slash cuts through a mix more, though.

 

[punchlinechar]

Re: Slash Neck Humbucker

As someone who has used the Slash and the Alnico Pro II in Super Strats, yes, it is warmer than the 59 (btw, I play jazzy fusiony prog stuff, going from clean to about TS-levels of gain). The 59 has bigger bass, less mids. The Slash has more mids, but less bass. The 59 is tighter. I think the Slash cuts through a mix more, though.

Ok, that helps a lot, thanks. Would it be a decent match for the JB in the bridge?

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[dotsdad]

Re: Slash Neck Humbucker

The Jazz neck is a good balance for JB bridge. A bit brighter than 59 or Slash.

 

[SJ318]

Re: Slash Neck Humbucker

dotsdad-
I agree with the Jazz neck. It is very bright and really cuts through. On a lark, I got a Jazz bridge, and just today (no joke, really, did it 2 hours ago.) I put my Jazz bridge against my favorite
pickup these day, a Seth Bridge with an A5 short mag.
Guess what, the Jazz Bridge cut through much tighter and the resistance read about the same: 8.1(Jazz Bridge) - 8.3(S.Lover). So good grief, How many new favorite pickups can one guy have?
the answer is: many favorite pickups.
Steve B.

 

[Mincer]

Re: Slash Neck Humbucker

Ok, that helps a lot, thanks. Would it be a decent match for the JB in the bridge?

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I think the Jazz is the only one that matches well with the JB. The Slash is pretty thick sounding, and doesn't have the cutting high end that the JB/Jazz combo would. I wouldn't think the tones of a Slash/JB would work (at least for me) in many guitars.

 

[punchlinechar]

Re: Slash Neck Humbucker

I think the Jazz is the only one that matches well with the JB. The Slash is pretty thick sounding, and doesn't have the cutting high end that the JB/Jazz combo would. I wouldn't think the tones of a Slash/JB would work (at least for me) in many guitars.

Ok, in that case, how does the Jazz sound compared to the 59? I've heard it has chimier cleans

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[Archer250]

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Ok, in that case, how does the Jazz sound compared to the 59? I've heard it has chimier cleans

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Having used both in the same guitar (and also in different guitars), I'll say that the Jazz sounds brighter and toppier overall. "Chimier" cleans in the right guitar, yes, but in the wrong guitar, it could turn strident. To me, the Jazz has the EQ of a vintage single coil but the response, feel and overall sound of a humbucker.

I remember preferring the '59 for solos and overdriven chords. It's "deeper" and smoother. Cleans, I 60/40 prefer the Jazz.