Song demo, Please some feedback in the guitar tone and mix!!!

[ascard]

Hi everyone!
I recorded a song idea that i have, mainly to look for a drummer and singer, if you guys happen to know one in south florida (boward county - miami) Let me know!!! Besides that i would like to know what you guys think about the song overall and the guitar tone, i don't know how well i did in the mix but I'm learning.

The gear I used: MusicMan JP 13 7 String, Seymour Duncan 805, Mesa Boogie Mark V, Torpedo Live.

Thank you!!

https://soundcloud.com/garitos-e-thulu/song-idea-1

 

[Phantasmagoria]

Re: Song demo, Please some feedback in the guitar tone and mix!!!

Impressive tones all around, excellent mix and killer song with (perhaps too obvious DT influence) but lol, who cares..it sounds fantastic...great job

 

[ascard]

Re: Song demo, Please some feedback in the guitar tone and mix!!!

Hi Phantasmagoria!,

Thank you very much for your feedback!!!, I'm really happy that you like the tone and the mix! And even more that you like the song!! Yea i guess i still have that hard influence of dream theater lol. Thank you bro!.

 

[TwilightOdyssey]

Re: Song demo, Please some feedback in the guitar tone and mix!!!

Will check this out later; looking forward to it.

 

[TwilightOdyssey]

Re: Song demo, Please some feedback in the guitar tone and mix!!!

Neat song idea.

 

[ascard]

Re: Song demo, Please some feedback in the guitar tone and mix!!!

Hi TwilightOdyssey!,

I'm glad that you like it!, I'm trying to get a singer and a drummer but still no luck with that haha.

What you think about the sound in the mix, and what you think about the guitar tone?

 

[TwilightOdyssey]

Re: Song demo, Please some feedback in the guitar tone and mix!!!

Will revert after I can have a listen in the studio later.

 

[Demanic]

Re: Song demo, Please some feedback in the guitar tone and mix!!!

\m/ \m/ Nice work, good clear tone and tight playing. The drums could use a bit more "air" as they sound just a bit too compressed, good click on the kick though. Guitar and bass sound fantastic though. Nice clarity and articulation on the guitar.

 

[Chickenwings]

Re: Song demo, Please some feedback in the guitar tone and mix!!!

smashing

 

[TwilightOdyssey]

Re: Song demo, Please some feedback in the guitar tone and mix!!!

Hi TwilightOdyssey!,

I'm glad that you like it!, I'm trying to get a singer and a drummer but still no luck with that haha.

What you think about the sound in the mix, and what you think about the guitar tone?

You might want to look into hiring session musicians; that's what I do.

To be honest, it sounds fine. Without vocals and with all the canned instrumentation, it's impossible to judge accurately.

THE FOLLOWING IS *MY OPINION* ONLY! FEEL FREE TO SKIP IT, I KNOW THIS IS JUST A DEMO. BUT YOU ASKED FOR SPECIFICS ...
[critique]The balance within the mix sounds fine; a little too dry, compressed and 'EZMix' sounding to my ears ... i.e., there is no actual MIX here. Mixing is more than just a low pass filter, hard panning the guitars and throwing an L2 on the 2 bus, in my opinion. My main problem with the song is that although there are a couple of dynamic shifts, overall, there is too much density, and virtually no 'air'. It's quite suffocating, especially since none of the elements move across the sound field, either in width, depth, or height, throughout the song. Example: during the start/stop riff around :38S in, there is NO ambience when the guitars and drums stop ... it's just black, dead air ... no trailing delay, no reverb tails, room ambience, nothing.[/end critique]

 

[guitar74]

Re: Song demo, Please some feedback in the guitar tone and mix!!!

Loved it, man!!! I like the mix, and the guitar tone is terrific, great mids, and punch. I agree with a little less compression on the drums, but overall great mix, and terrific changes and great dynamics. I think you nailed it on the tone, though, just the right amount of gain, and eq is dead nuts on.

 

[GilmourD]

Re: Song demo, Please some feedback in the guitar tone and mix!!!

You might want to look into hiring session musicians; that's what I do.

To be honest, it sounds fine. Without vocals and with all the canned instrumentation, it's impossible to judge accurately.

THE FOLLOWING IS *MY OPINION* ONLY! FEEL FREE TO SKIP IT, I KNOW THIS IS JUST A DEMO. BUT YOU ASKED FOR SPECIFICS ...
[critique]The balance within the mix sounds fine; a little too dry, compressed and 'EZMix' sounding to my ears ... i.e., there is no actual MIX here. Mixing is more than just a low pass filter, hard panning the guitars and throwing an L2 on the 2 bus, in my opinion. My main problem with the song is that although there are a couple of dynamic shifts, overall, there is too much density, and virtually no 'air'. It's quite suffocating, especially since none of the elements move across the sound field, either in width, depth, or height, throughout the song. Example: during the start/stop riff around :38S in, there is NO ambience when the guitars and drums stop ... it's just black, dead air ... no trailing delay, no reverb tails, room ambience, nothing.[/end critique]

I generally like it myself. There are some added touches I would apply if it were a final album mix, which I don't think this is. It does feel like it needs a little "room". Not a heavy reverb. Maybe even a ducked plate reverb, so you only get it when there's no actual instrument signal. It does feel very compressed, too.

I like a dry guitar tone, especially on leads, as it's a bit more in-your-face, but it also depends on what the particular part does for the song. A basic rhythm track? I'd probably put a bit of reverb on it.

Overall, very good, though!

 

[AmirH]

Re: Song demo, Please some feedback in the guitar tone and mix!!!

I thought you had some great metal riffs in this song, but I do agree with those who said it's over-compressed. My suspicion is that's the main reason the guitars sound so dark, but you might also try eq or multi-compression to boost the presence and top end a little bit and tame the lows a little more. If you aren't already dampening the strings above the nut and below the bridge you should, but it also sounds like you're perhaps using more gain than you need. Experiment with dialing it back to the absolute minimum and it might help make everything sound a little tighter and punchier. Sounds pretty darn good compared to a lot of metal demos though

 

[ascard]

Re: Song demo, Please some feedback in the guitar tone and mix!!!

Hi guys!

First I have to thank you guys for the feedback, really thank you, is really nice to feel support and feedback and opinions always make you better, thank you!.

Demanic: Thank you bro, I'm really happy that like the song, and that you like the guitar tone and bass tone, thank you!!! And you are right about the drums, it sound over compressed must fix that!.

gibson17: Thank you man!!!!.

TwilightOdyssey: Thank you!, Also you are right is to dry and compressed I'm now able to heard that after a few days listening albums that I like, I did not use EzMix but didn't do much, is my first mix and i was trying to learn on the road hahaha and it was pretty nice i learned a lot, and getting you guys feedback it was a bless Thank you!, and yes i have to fix that add some reverb and see how to play with the dynamics more. Also I heard your band the one in your signature, and I loved it man amazing!!!. Thank you!!.

guitar74: Thank you bro!!!! I'm really happy that you like it and like the tone!!!!, yes I will fix the drums sound asap!

GilmourD: Thank you!!! Yea i will add some reverb so it can have more room, thought I really don't know why it sound so compressed I hardly use any compression Hmmm, I'll check that.

AmirH: Thank you man!!!! Yea it sound really over compressed, it may be the guitat because I really don't know how did it happend I barely used any compressor, I'll try to do what you said to see what happend, about the other lol I realize when i was mixing the song that I use too much gain really it was crazy xD.

Thank you guys!!!

 

[GilmourD]

Re: Song demo, Please some feedback in the guitar tone and mix!!!

Hi guys!

First I have to thank you guys for the feedback, really thank you, is really nice to feel support and feedback and opinions always make you better, thank you!.

Demanic: Thank you bro, I'm really happy that like the song, and that you like the guitar tone and bass tone, thank you!!! And you are right about the drums, it sound over compressed must fix that!.

gibson17: Thank you man!!!!.

TwilightOdyssey: Thank you!, Also you are right is to dry and compressed I'm now able to heard that after a few days listening albums that I like, I did not use EzMix but didn't do much, is my first mix and i was trying to learn on the road hahaha and it was pretty nice i learned a lot, and getting you guys feedback it was a bless Thank you!, and yes i have to fix that add some reverb and see how to play with the dynamics more. Also I heard your band the one in your signature, and I loved it man amazing!!!. Thank you!!.

guitar74: Thank you bro!!!! I'm really happy that you like it and like the tone!!!!, yes I will fix the drums sound asap!

GilmourD: Thank you!!! Yea i will add some reverb so it can have more room, thought I really don't know why it sound so compressed I hardly use any compression Hmmm, I'll check that.

AmirH: Thank you man!!!! Yea it sound really over compressed, it may be the guitat because I really don't know how did it happend I barely used any compressor, I'll try to do what you said to see what happend, about the other lol I realize when i was mixing the song that I use too much gain really it was crazy xD.

Thank you guys!!!

It may not be so much compressed as it's all at the same volume and doesn't vary very much. That in itself may not be an actual compression effect but rather a byproduct of the distortion used on the guitar and the overall mixing keeping everything very even.

 

[everdrone]

Re: Song demo, Please some feedback in the guitar tone and mix!!!

nice

 

[LLL]

Re: Song demo, Please some feedback in the guitar tone and mix!!!

Alright, this is an odd one.

It sounds great in some areas; others it sounds like it's missing stuff.

For one, the drums... all I hear most of the time is the snare being tickled and a few fills
The kick drum gets completely buried in the low end... makes it
sound funny/empty in many places during the tune.

The bass is the same... gets almost buried in the low end.

I think the guitar tone sounds good to great. If the above get fixed, you may not have to
do anything with the guitars. I know with metal riffing you don't want to put any reverb or other stuff on it;
keep it dry.


EDIT: listened again.

I think the overall prob is there's instruments fighting for frequencies; thereby giving the illusion that things are missing/things are undefined.

I think the kick drum low freqs and the bass guitar low freqs are vying for the same low freqs and kinda cancelling each other out.

I'd start by giving the bass guitar it's own "carve out" in the low end freqs so it doesn't use most of the kick drum's freqs... maybe give the bass guitar some more low mids and a touch of higher frequency to pull it from the low end molasses. This would free up the kick drum and make it stand out more with defined thump.

For air, what might work is putting just a hair of chamber/room/hall (room type) reverb on the drums (not guitars). Just a hair.

 

[ascard]

Re: Song demo, Please some feedback in the guitar tone and mix!!!

Hi guys!

GilmourD Yes you probably right, I'm going to play with volumes a little bit, somehow in my speakers I can heard the bass a lot too.

everdrone Thank you man!!

LLL Thank you bro!!! I'm happy that you liked the guitar tone, also I'm totally going to try and do what you said... the drums right now are really horrible hahaha. Thank you!!

Thank you guys!

 

[LLL]

Re: Song demo, Please some feedback in the guitar tone and mix!!!

LLL Thank you bro!!! I'm happy that you liked the guitar tone, also I'm totally going to try and do what you said... the drums right now are really horrible hahaha. Thank you!!

Thank you guys!

No problemo.

It's not that the drums are horrible; it's because the bass guitar and kick drum are using the same frequencies.

This is all on the real low end like around 100Hz - 250Hz.

I would move the bass guitar higher up the frequency spectrum beyond whatever the kick drum is using... like move it to around 300Hz - 500Hz for the bass guitar fundamental note. Then add some hi mids or something... just a little... for note definition.

Every instrument needs its own frequency space. A little crossover is okay but not too much. When instruments share the same freqs, things disappear in the mix or sound unclear.

 

[ascard]

Re: Song demo, Please some feedback in the guitar tone and mix!!!

You are right LLL

Gonna do that, also I now have superior drummer let see if it sound a little bit better too.

Thank you bro!