Yeah, I know.. Another corny title..sorry, try to be creative.. Ok. Seems that my Avatar 2x12 is and is most likely to remain my main cab.. I have celestions in it. gh75s I think.. Im not sure at the second, but when I asked about the speakers before, was told they are normally pretty bright and good for 80s metal.. Im considering a change. I normally play with my Splawn quickrod. Id like to maybe warm the tone up or perhaps harvest more of the brownness from the amp. alil more chewy perhaps? recommendations?? thanks
Speak ers to me....
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MetalManiac
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G12H/V30 Celestion combo. Another combo that does the the Brown sound is the Red Fang Eminence & Eminence Wizard Combo.Another Classic for waht you describe would be the Celestion G12-65's.
Avoid the G12H- g12/25 combo w/in the same cabinet. Very different spl's and Frequency Eq's make for some frustration . Is it bad?-no. Is it optimal , no, not optimal IMO.
G12H/V30 Celestion combo. Another combo that does the the Brown sound is the Red Fang Eminence & Eminence Wizard Combo.Another Classic for waht you describe would be the Celestion G12-65's.
Avoid the G12H- g12/25 combo w/in the same cabinet. Very different spl's and Frequency Eq's make for some frustration . Is it bad?-no. Is it optimal , no, not optimal IMO.
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Chickenwings
Alnico 6/8
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keep the g12t75 (assuming that is what you have) and put a vintage 30 next to it. 80s for days.
Alternatively if you want "chewier" and "browner" try a pair of greenbacks, or g12m creambacks if you need more wattage to handle your amp's output. Seeing as your amp is 100watts then definitely go for a pair of creambacks.
keep the g12t75 (assuming that is what you have) and put a vintage 30 next to it. 80s for days.
Alternatively if you want "chewier" and "browner" try a pair of greenbacks, or g12m creambacks if you need more wattage to handle your amp's output. Seeing as your amp is 100watts then definitely go for a pair of creambacks.
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Re: Speak ers to me....
I know for certain they are celestion 75s. Just not sure of the letter make up right now. I also recall that when I inquired on them once before, I was told they were best sounding when played loud and were kinda bright and good for 80s metal.
Thanks for the suggestions so far! I should have stated in my orig post, the question as to whether they both need to go or if the stock ones would mix and match with another to get an optimal tone. perhaps Ill start with a vin 30. What is Eminence's vin 30 type? That way, If the V30,g75 combo still isnt exactly what in looking for, I can try a V30/creamback (or private jack) combo) I worry about committing right away to a pair of greenbacks. The only other speaker change Ive ever done was replacing the stock speaker in my PV classic 30 with a Private Jack. I like it, but it is alot more wooly sounding
Is it the Governor? Also, doing a google search, found an old Duncan thread where a guy posted he replaced his Vin 30 with a V12 and it was sweet, full, rounder than the V30
heres the thread:
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/sho...e-the-Eminence-V12-better-than-the-Vintage-30
Oh, one more question.. Ohms.. The cab is marked as rated at 8ohms. So, I know to use the 8Ohm setting on my amp. Does that mean I need to get an 8Ohm speaker? Or do you get 16 ohm speakers and when running in stereo they are 8? thanks
I know for certain they are celestion 75s. Just not sure of the letter make up right now. I also recall that when I inquired on them once before, I was told they were best sounding when played loud and were kinda bright and good for 80s metal.
Thanks for the suggestions so far! I should have stated in my orig post, the question as to whether they both need to go or if the stock ones would mix and match with another to get an optimal tone. perhaps Ill start with a vin 30. What is Eminence's vin 30 type? That way, If the V30,g75 combo still isnt exactly what in looking for, I can try a V30/creamback (or private jack) combo) I worry about committing right away to a pair of greenbacks. The only other speaker change Ive ever done was replacing the stock speaker in my PV classic 30 with a Private Jack. I like it, but it is alot more wooly sounding
Is it the Governor? Also, doing a google search, found an old Duncan thread where a guy posted he replaced his Vin 30 with a V12 and it was sweet, full, rounder than the V30
heres the thread:
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/sho...e-the-Eminence-V12-better-than-the-Vintage-30
Oh, one more question.. Ohms.. The cab is marked as rated at 8ohms. So, I know to use the 8Ohm setting on my amp. Does that mean I need to get an 8Ohm speaker? Or do you get 16 ohm speakers and when running in stereo they are 8? thanks
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80's_Metal
Underglazed Hair Metalologist
Re: Speak ers to me....
trade them both to me for either my Swamp Thangs, or Texas HEats.
trade them both to me for either my Swamp Thangs, or Texas HEats.
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Chickenwings
Alnico 6/8
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vintage 30 = wizard
manowar = g12t75
private jack = greenback
thing is...all three of these emi speakers are a bit louder and have a wider frequency response than their celestion counterparts, so while they maintain some of the signature sonic characteristics of each of them, they are not carbon copies at all. That is not to say the emis are not excellent speakers. They are killer in their own right and superior in many respects....just not the exact same things.
If you have quick look in the back of your amp and you find a g12T75, the v30 is a proven winner when blended. If you like the v30, but no longer so keen on the g12T75, then a g12h creamback would be a better match for the v30 than a g12m creamback.
8 ohms on your amp needs to see 8 ohms at the box.
2 8 ohm speakers in parallel = 4 ohms
2 8 ohm speakers in series = 16 ohms
2 16 ohm speakers in parallel = 8 ohms
rough kinda soundalikes:
vintage 30 = wizard
manowar = g12t75
private jack = greenback
thing is...all three of these emi speakers are a bit louder and have a wider frequency response than their celestion counterparts, so while they maintain some of the signature sonic characteristics of each of them, they are not carbon copies at all. That is not to say the emis are not excellent speakers. They are killer in their own right and superior in many respects....just not the exact same things.
If you have quick look in the back of your amp and you find a g12T75, the v30 is a proven winner when blended. If you like the v30, but no longer so keen on the g12T75, then a g12h creamback would be a better match for the v30 than a g12m creamback.
8 ohms on your amp needs to see 8 ohms at the box.
2 8 ohm speakers in parallel = 4 ohms
2 8 ohm speakers in series = 16 ohms
2 16 ohm speakers in parallel = 8 ohms
MetalManiac
Li'l Junior Member
Re: Speak ers to me....
You would actually need 2x 100 watt speakers, so why are you wanting a 2x12? Those 2x 12's , for a vintage Brown applications , are for 50 watt amps.you can get by with less if you ar ecareful, but its less than an ideal arrangement.
People wonder why you run full stacks with Greenbacks, well, cause with a 100 what amp, you need eight 25 watt speakers, or two cabs.
Even the two Creambacks would leave you 50 watts shy of your target, as would the Red Fang/ Wizard combo I suggested .Forget the two 25 or 30 watt greenbacks greenbacks altogether.
I'd go with the Creambacks like 175 said, the Fang/Wizard or G12-65's, even though less than recommended for a 100 watt amplifier, those should be enough unless you go ape****.
The V30 /G12h combo would also fall real short of your 200 watt goal, cause the amp is gonna see a 60 watt speaker load only. The T75 is a 75 watt speaker, and run with a v30 or creamback will also give you about a 140 watt speaker load.
T75 and V30 Combo is more metal than chewey & Brown though IMO.
You would actually need 2x 100 watt speakers, so why are you wanting a 2x12? Those 2x 12's , for a vintage Brown applications , are for 50 watt amps.you can get by with less if you ar ecareful, but its less than an ideal arrangement.
People wonder why you run full stacks with Greenbacks, well, cause with a 100 what amp, you need eight 25 watt speakers, or two cabs.
Even the two Creambacks would leave you 50 watts shy of your target, as would the Red Fang/ Wizard combo I suggested .Forget the two 25 or 30 watt greenbacks greenbacks altogether.
I'd go with the Creambacks like 175 said, the Fang/Wizard or G12-65's, even though less than recommended for a 100 watt amplifier, those should be enough unless you go ape****.
The V30 /G12h combo would also fall real short of your 200 watt goal, cause the amp is gonna see a 60 watt speaker load only. The T75 is a 75 watt speaker, and run with a v30 or creamback will also give you about a 140 watt speaker load.
T75 and V30 Combo is more metal than chewey & Brown though IMO.
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Chickenwings
Alnico 6/8
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nah. he just needs 100w total as a minimum, with the least powerful speaker to be rated to no less than 50 watts.
Demanic
PenultimateTone Member
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Or better yet, one of each.
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IM4Tone
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No mention as yet of WGS brand. I find them, in general, to be warmer than either Celestions or Eminence. My favorite WGS pairing is: Reaper HP (50 watts) and the Retro 30 (75 watts) giving you 100 watts when in a 2X12. But you can listen to various WGS speaker sound bytes and read their comparison to other brands on their web site. I don't play 80's metal, so YMMV.
No mention as yet of WGS brand. I find them, in general, to be warmer than either Celestions or Eminence. My favorite WGS pairing is: Reaper HP (50 watts) and the Retro 30 (75 watts) giving you 100 watts when in a 2X12. But you can listen to various WGS speaker sound bytes and read their comparison to other brands on their web site. I don't play 80's metal, so YMMV.
misterwhizzy
Well-known member
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I kind of feel like a person is either a Vintage 30 guy or a Greenback guy. If you haven't given a Greenback cab a shot, be sure to do so before deciding. I wish I had.
I kind of feel like a person is either a Vintage 30 guy or a Greenback guy. If you haven't given a Greenback cab a shot, be sure to do so before deciding. I wish I had.
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Yeah, WGS started popping up in my comp after I started surfing for the others.. Heard good things about them.. Def like the pricing.. Im not a brand snob. I like to get the best thing for what I need and can afford. If it happens to be a lower priced product, all the better..
Yeah, WGS started popping up in my comp after I started surfing for the others.. Heard good things about them.. Def like the pricing.. Im not a brand snob. I like to get the best thing for what I need and can afford. If it happens to be a lower priced product, all the better..
Lake Placid Blues
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I researched WGS last time around. I was looking for lower efficiency speakers though. Most WGS are more efficient than the Celestion counter part. Even the Green Beret is 99db if I recall correctly. Two that are 97db are their flagship ET-65s and the Invader 50s.
Efficiency may or may not be a concern for you but the ET65s may be just what your looking for, in terms of more vocal mids, which the 75s completely lack.
Vintage 30s have vocal mids of course, so that is why they are popular mixed with G12T75s. However, the Vintage 30s are significantly louder than 75s. What you hear in a mix is 75% V30, but with beefier bass filled in by the 75s.
I researched WGS last time around. I was looking for lower efficiency speakers though. Most WGS are more efficient than the Celestion counter part. Even the Green Beret is 99db if I recall correctly. Two that are 97db are their flagship ET-65s and the Invader 50s.
Efficiency may or may not be a concern for you but the ET65s may be just what your looking for, in terms of more vocal mids, which the 75s completely lack.
Vintage 30s have vocal mids of course, so that is why they are popular mixed with G12T75s. However, the Vintage 30s are significantly louder than 75s. What you hear in a mix is 75% V30, but with beefier bass filled in by the 75s.
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Just checking the WGS site and they are listing the Invaders at 99+ db. I'm pretty sure I remember the Invaders being listed lower when I bought them. But, I ran 2 Invaders with 2 Veterans in a big 4x12 and the Veterans may have been dominant, but it wasn't by much. There was no masking the earlier cone break up of the Invaders in that cab. That may have accounted for the Invaders seeming like they were pretty close to the Veterans in terms of efficiency. Then again, I now have 4 Invaders in an Avatar cab and 2 Veterans with 2 ET90's in another cab. Haven't AB'd them, but being familiar with my gear, same amp and guitars and the Veteran/ET90 cab may be just a little but louder. It's also a larger cab and a "hybrid" (Ply baffle and back, MDF shell). That cab just sounds "huge" no matter what's in it. Not sure what my point is other than maybe my wondering how accurate the WGS SPL specs are as listed on their site.
Just checking the WGS site and they are listing the Invaders at 99+ db. I'm pretty sure I remember the Invaders being listed lower when I bought them. But, I ran 2 Invaders with 2 Veterans in a big 4x12 and the Veterans may have been dominant, but it wasn't by much. There was no masking the earlier cone break up of the Invaders in that cab. That may have accounted for the Invaders seeming like they were pretty close to the Veterans in terms of efficiency. Then again, I now have 4 Invaders in an Avatar cab and 2 Veterans with 2 ET90's in another cab. Haven't AB'd them, but being familiar with my gear, same amp and guitars and the Veteran/ET90 cab may be just a little but louder. It's also a larger cab and a "hybrid" (Ply baffle and back, MDF shell). That cab just sounds "huge" no matter what's in it. Not sure what my point is other than maybe my wondering how accurate the WGS SPL specs are as listed on their site.
