Spider ll. Tube or SS?
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JeffB
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Re: Spider ll. Tube or SS?
It is a digital modeler. No tubes.
Best way to tell is look in the back of the cabinet/head for the tubes, or see if it has a standby switch. Most tube amps will have a standby switch on the front panel.
And this is wierd but when you turn them on, you can smell the tubes, at least I can.
RepVenom said:
It is a digital modeler. No tubes.
Best way to tell is look in the back of the cabinet/head for the tubes, or see if it has a standby switch. Most tube amps will have a standby switch on the front panel.
And this is wierd but when you turn them on, you can smell the tubes, at least I can.
JeffB
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Re: Spider ll. Tube or SS?
That's a loaded question in guitar circles
In my personal opinion, no the Line 6 stuff is not real "tubey". It's a good simulation, but not the same.
I find most of the digital modeling amps (Line 6 Spiders/Flextone, Fender Cybers, Behringer V-ampire, etc) to sound a bit flat and sterile. I feel the analog modelers like the Tech 21 stuff, and Behringer V-tone sound more "authentic", but it's still not the same as tubes. I have a Vox modeler and it uses one tube, and IMO it's the best sounding lower price modeler I've tried, but again, it's still not the same as an all tube amp.
Some of the solid state (not modeler) amps I've tried, are IMO better sounding than most modelers. The Peavey Transtube and XXL in particular were very nice. I came close to buying the Bandit, and sometimes I wish I had instead of the Vox.
Best thing to do is just play as many amps as you can in your price range and let YOUR ears be the judge. The Modelers do offer a lot of versatility/different sounds for those who need it.
RepVenom said:
That's a loaded question in guitar circles
In my personal opinion, no the Line 6 stuff is not real "tubey". It's a good simulation, but not the same.
I find most of the digital modeling amps (Line 6 Spiders/Flextone, Fender Cybers, Behringer V-ampire, etc) to sound a bit flat and sterile. I feel the analog modelers like the Tech 21 stuff, and Behringer V-tone sound more "authentic", but it's still not the same as tubes. I have a Vox modeler and it uses one tube, and IMO it's the best sounding lower price modeler I've tried, but again, it's still not the same as an all tube amp.
Some of the solid state (not modeler) amps I've tried, are IMO better sounding than most modelers. The Peavey Transtube and XXL in particular were very nice. I came close to buying the Bandit, and sometimes I wish I had instead of the Vox.
Best thing to do is just play as many amps as you can in your price range and let YOUR ears be the judge. The Modelers do offer a lot of versatility/different sounds for those who need it.
JeffB
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Re: Spider ll. Tube or SS?
Depends on what you mean by "good price" and "metal"
The Marshall 400 watt DSL, and the Peavey 40 Watt triple X would fit the bill but they are $900 amps.
The Peavey Delta Blues/Classic sound really nice and are pretty affordable $500 range), but won't do any kind of modern metal tones. With a good pedal for a boost they can do early to mid 80's & 70's Metal/Classic Rock type sounds.
The Traynor 40 watter again sounds nice and is affordable, but won't really do modern metal sounds either.
If $ are an issue you should look into a Modeler like the Behringer V-tone. It'll do high gain Marshall or Boogie sounds..tons of gain. And it's got the cab simulators for a stack sound. The 100 watt 2x12 combo goes for less than 3 bills.
The Vox AVT50 (the one I own) will also get you there for about $360. The modern marshall model, and the Boogie rectifier model have tons of gain and can sound modern or classic with some tweaking. The soldano model is not so great, but with enough effects coloring it makes a good lead tone.
But if ya definitely want tubes, you may be best off with a used Marshall, Peavey 5150, Carvin, etc.
RepVenom said:
Depends on what you mean by "good price" and "metal"
The Marshall 400 watt DSL, and the Peavey 40 Watt triple X would fit the bill but they are $900 amps.
The Peavey Delta Blues/Classic sound really nice and are pretty affordable $500 range), but won't do any kind of modern metal tones. With a good pedal for a boost they can do early to mid 80's & 70's Metal/Classic Rock type sounds.
The Traynor 40 watter again sounds nice and is affordable, but won't really do modern metal sounds either.
If $ are an issue you should look into a Modeler like the Behringer V-tone. It'll do high gain Marshall or Boogie sounds..tons of gain. And it's got the cab simulators for a stack sound. The 100 watt 2x12 combo goes for less than 3 bills.
The Vox AVT50 (the one I own) will also get you there for about $360. The modern marshall model, and the Boogie rectifier model have tons of gain and can sound modern or classic with some tweaking. The soldano model is not so great, but with enough effects coloring it makes a good lead tone.
But if ya definitely want tubes, you may be best off with a used Marshall, Peavey 5150, Carvin, etc.
RepVenom
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Re: Spider ll. Tube or SS?
I've got a Line 6 POD and I'm currently using the Boogie Dual Rectifier model for that heavy modern metal tone. The problem is I'm still using my old practice amp and I need something bigger and "juicier" that can really carry out that tone. And money wise, I'm thinking somewhere in the 200-300 dollar range.
I've got a Line 6 POD and I'm currently using the Boogie Dual Rectifier model for that heavy modern metal tone. The problem is I'm still using my old practice amp and I need something bigger and "juicier" that can really carry out that tone. And money wise, I'm thinking somewhere in the 200-300 dollar range.
JeffB
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Re: Spider ll. Tube or SS?
I'm not really familiar with the POD or it's use through another amplifier, So
I'm afraid I'm not much help as far as specifics for that setup goes.
But! There was a thread here in this forum a few days ago about an Amp called the Atomic (or perhaps Atomik) that is built just for the POD or similar. The POD plugs into the "amp" and actually uses tubes in the power section to help "warm it up". I've no idea about cost.
RepVenom said:
I'm not really familiar with the POD or it's use through another amplifier, So
I'm afraid I'm not much help as far as specifics for that setup goes.
But!
There was a thread here in this forum a few days ago about an Amp called the Atomic (or perhaps Atomik) that is built just for the POD or similar. The POD plugs into the "amp" and actually uses tubes in the power section to help "warm it up". I've no idea about cost.
