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For all you SRV fans that forgot how to get his sound there are ways to do it within monetary constraints. I see people still asking about his equipment and how to get his sound. This is how I would do it, I actually, for experimental purposes did do it since I had most of the equipment already and it works.

The guitar, of course a strat, you can use a good quality Fender like the reissues or older American standard as long as it doesn't have the bath tub rout. But I built my own from Warmoth wood parts.

Alder body with as little finish as possible. I would use a medium weight Alder body from one of the many very good companies like warmoth or USACG.

Maple neck, rosewood board. Big frets if possible and a bone nut or similar, no roller or graphite nuts and no sperzel tuners, they do change the tone. Gotoh klusons are the way to go. Again I would go with one of the custom companies. I think Warmoth makes very good necks, I would get a big fat profile if you can and a flatter board for easier bending.

I would go with a Callaham tremolo bridge because IMO they are the best.

Detune 1/2 step, it's important.

If you can't use heavy strings than you must use a little more powerful pickups. But nothing more than around 7K neck and middle, 10K bridge.
If you use 10's or less I would got with antiquity Texas hots, heavier strings surfers. SSL1/2 or 52's will do if you have money issues. I use a custom shop tapped Texas hot bridge 6.5K/10K and use the tap for the 4 position to get all the quack I can. Lindy Fralin also makes excellent strat pups and I would recommend them highly.

As for pedals........use one or two of the many types of tube screamers out there. It's a taste and money thing too. Some people prefer one and some another. As long as it gets what you want and it's a tube screamer. Once you start adding other pedals you kind of loose that SRV vibe, like no flangers or delay pedals or compressors.

Now lets go with amps.....boy did he use a lot of different amps over the years, so lets keep it simple. None of use can afford a Dumble(can we?) and I really don't think that's his definitive sound. To me it's hot rodded Fender amps hooked together and setup a certain way.

The best way is to use 2 or more amps. Lets stay with 2, use a simple Y jack with one ground lifted. To keep it within normal volume I would use 2 smaller Fender tube amps. I would also use two different types with different speakers. Again it's about money and how much you have. Remember if you use 2 amps they have to be in phase so count the preamp stages.

One amp should be for a more overdriven distorted sound with more compression. The other for a slightly cleaner sound with a bigger speaker to handle those low notes cleanly.

You can use any tweed, brown/white, BF, SF, or reissue even some older marshalls since they are basicially fender designs.. The more difference between the two the better as long as they are close in terms of output. For instance for a smaller gig maybe a Princeton reverb or clone and a tweed 5E3 clone. Crank the PR to 10 volume and treble with almost no bass. Use a more efficient speaker like a C12N reissue or similar in the 5E3 and turn it a little lower like 5-6, let that handle the lows as long as it doesn't fart out.

If you want to go louder how about a BFDR reissue and a hotrod 2-12 or 4-10deville. The BFDR cranked and the deville set for cleaner bass sound.

Or a BF/SF super reverb and a BF/SF or white bassman head on a 1-15 cab with a JBL D-130. That's really loud. I tried a BFTR and a 100 watt JCM 800 50 watt stack, that was really, really loud......

If you do the work yourself you can do it for under $2000 and it will sound as good as what he used. It needs time to be dialed in and tweaked.

Oh I forgot something. Spend about 10+ years listening to all forms of music recorded between 1950 and about 1972. Especially blues, R&B, soul, country, rock-a-billy, Classic rock, British invasion, Jazz with special attention to Jimi Hendrix and Albert King. Some old Freddie and Buddy too.....maybe even a little B.B., Clapton and Johnny Winter. Learn as much as you can and practice about 8 hours a day.

Maybe do a little trick I did to learn not to look at the neck when I played. I would lay in bed in the dark and play my guitar so I could not look at the neck, eventually I instinctively knew were everything was. it helps with the chicks, you can look them straight in the eyes and never miss a note.

Man it's one o'clock in the morning and I'm writing this stuff......I need to get a life.
 
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Yeah.. I would say first and foremost that this is a very very good post, and I'm surprised more people didn't respond.

I know his pickups were underwound.. but his strings were thick enough to compensate for the low end missing while still keeping the bright highs.

There is only one thing missing - the pedals. Of course tube screamers, but there was one other one he uses - a Univibe / Leslie clone effect for songs like Cold Shot and Little Wing.

And the most important part is most definitely the half step down, I can't state enough how much closer this will immediately get you to his sound.
 
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I saw him in 85 in a small club. He was killer. I like the part about spending 10 years listening to blues records from 1950 to 1972. That's what he did early in his career. He also went out met and played with bluesman as a teenager.
 
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Have you seen Greg Koch's SRV videos? He nails his tone with an off the shelf American Fender strat and a stock Fender amp. No gismos or aftermarket tremolos, tuners, bone nuts, pickups etc. A lot of it is in the fingers, and cranking a good Fender Amp.
 
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lots of those things are very correct, great first post. didnt post before cause i didnt want to take away from bb's effort but...


you NEED big strings and low output pups, 9's and hotter pups wont get you the right tone. 11's at a minimum and nothing over 7k, the amps will do the work.

the first set of amps isnt a good pairing. the princeton will work for the dirty tone but a 5e3 isnt great for the clean/tight bottom end. they are too mushy on the bottom and dont have the clean headroom. at 5 or 6 mine is pretty **** raunchy with 11's and texas hots in std. a 5e3 and a bf dlx reverb would work great. set the bf for clean and the 5e3 for dirty. the bf is louder and cleaner so even with the 5e3 cranked up the dr can match the volume at a much cleaner tone. a great but much louder setup would be a super reverb for clean and a deluxe reverb for dirty.
 
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That's why I said a more efficient speaker in the 5E3. Not for clean but to handle the lows, not clean lows. Since a PR has a 10, think about it....this is for a lower volume sound.

As the volume increases the need for cleaner lows increase.

I know these things from experience.

Some people can't play heavy strings so I guess that means they can't get an SRV sound.....I don't think so. It just means they need to use a hotter pickup for more output and tone shaping amp wise.

SRV didn't always use thick strings, they got thicker the more he played because when you are young your hands get stronger. I was using 11's and 12's on my Les Pauls at one time and I bend a lot.

When you get older your hands can't take it if you play a lot and less so if you don't. So a lot of guys go back to 10's and 9's. With a hotter pickup it's possible to get more lows with the right amp/speaker combination.

Believe me I've been doing this almost 40 years and have worked with pros and have played out door gigs, I even had my own sound company at one time. Now I build my own guitars and amps.....
 
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this is why i kinda stayed out at the begining, i agree with what you posted but if you are bringing it to the point of using a medium weight alder body with a super thin finish, rosewood fretboard maple neck with a bone nut and vintage style tuners and callaham bridge then i think big strings tuned down and certain pups are just as important in nailing the tone.

i would say that using sperzels would have less effect on your tone than different pups or strings.
 
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Then you would be wrong.

It's not only about the tone it's how the guitar feels. One of the most important issues about a guitar and the feel and tone is weight on the neck.

It's called fulcrum and I quote "with fulcrum I can move the world."

Weight on the headstock was always thought to add sustain but it ruins the sound and feel of a guitar. Same for different nuts, locking nuts and graphite ones are OK for certain usage. To nail SRV they work against you.

Weight at the headstock can also send a guitar out of tune or make it difficult to say in tune. It physics.........

I have 13 mahogany necks and the one that gives the guitar the most brightness is the one with a maple veneer on the headstock.....hmmmmm.

Some people can't hear things others can and some can't tell the difference feel wise either. Some can.....

SRV was one guy who could hear and feel things because he made himself part of the equation, a human interface so to speak. Part of the chain from him to his guitar to his amps.

I have owned 100+ Gibson's and Fender guitars and that many Fender and Marshall amps over the last 40 years.

Listen to someone who knows and learn dude.
 
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FTR, when Cesar Diaz first saw SRV (and this is according to Cesar), his tone was not what we came to know. Great playing, great heart and soul, but sounded bad. If you want to give credit for his tone, thank Cesar for that. SRV was not a tone techie, he was a bluesman. ;) He did have an unreal ability to know which of the many amps he was hooked up to was not working right.

IMO, getting in the ballpark is good enough. When you're playing in a bar in front of people, there's very few, if any, that are going to analyze your tone and question whether it's nailed or not. Getting in the ballpark to maintain the vibe and keep the drinks flowing, yet keeping yourself as a player happy, gets the job done.

Gimme a Strat off the wall, a Marshall or Vox and I'm good. :)

Oh, and don't forget the Radio Shack cables. They don't pass too much electricity. ;)
 
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The key, IMO, to getting a tone like SRV is less about gear and more about knowing how to play the signature licks - knowing how to phrase and bend and shake a note like the great blues players...guys like Albert King, Buddy Guy, Jimi Hendrix and Stevie.

I'm certain that SRV could have picked up up any of our Strats and plugged into any of our amps and have been instantly recognizable as SRV.

Whereas as most of us could not pick up Stevie's guitar and plug into his actual amps and be able to fool most people into thinking they were listening to SRV.

To sound like SRV, you gotta get the music inside you and develop the chops to get it out into the world.

All this Strat and amp and effects pedal minutiae won't help much at all if you haven't got the soul, haven't studied the music and haven't developed the chops.

I think having a passion for and an in depth knowledge of the blues and blues technique comes first....and then plugging a nice '63 style Strat with alnico 5 vintage style pickups into a nice blackface Fender amp, Marshall JCM-800 or tweed Fender Bassman tube guitar amp, maybe with a a TS-808 or TS-9 pedal goosing the front end for solos, will do the trick. And tune down 1/2 a step if you feel like it...I don't though.

Also, I did a test comparing the Fender '62 Reissue Vibrato to the three I have from '62 and '63 and the Fender reissue weighed the same, looked the same and sounded exactly the same as my 50 year old oldies. You can spend more money on the Calaham if you wish...but it wouldn't sound any more like a '62 or '63 Fender Vibrato than the Fender Reissue does.
 
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Have you seen Greg Koch's SRV videos? He nails his tone with an off the shelf American Fender strat and a stock Fender amp. No gismos or aftermarket tremolos, tuners, bone nuts, pickups etc. A lot of it is in the fingers, and cranking a good Fender Amp.


Finally we have someone who understands! It's not the gear! Listen to Soul to Soul. Some of that he is doing with a 335???? The tone is still there! Its in the hands NOT THE GEAR!!!
 
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Finally we have someone who understands! It's not the gear! Listen to Soul to Soul. Some of that he is doing with a 335???? The tone is still there! Its in the hands NOT THE GEAR!!!

That's right. It's like that famous story of Ted Nugent asking Eddie Van Halen if he could plug into Eddie's amp and try it out...Eddie said "Sure!" Ted plugged in and played a while and Eddie said Ted sounded exactly like.....Ted!

Lew
 
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I said that in my post.

But recording and live playing is different. Most of the Hendrix stuff was done with Gibsons they stayed in tune better and were quieter.

Bottom line like I said if you want to sound like him you have to be able to play like him.

As for Caesar Diaz, I take what he said with a grain of salt not as the gospel. I read some of the things he did to Stevie's stuff and it's no wonder he stopped using the Vibroverbs.......he probably ruined them.

That's why I posted what I did, it cuts to the bone what is needed. At the end I address the chop thing.

Everybody is going to say, Oh you don't really need this and that. The fact is you do, otherwise SRV would have used other things. He used what he used for a reason, the same reasons players who have been playing at a high level for many years do too. That's how they get their sound and comfort level. People forget about and discount ergonomics and comfort level because they never toured and never made a living playing music.

The same thing with Clapton, nothing sounds like a real Leslie, not a roto vibe, mojo vibe rotating speaker thing. Only the Leslie with the horn will give that sound.
 
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Didn't SRV owned and played something like 9854657321 Strats? and also used - Bassman amps in his later career?
His tone, to my ears doesn't sound the same - In Step doesn' have the same tone as Texas Flood... but it always sounds like Stevie... there's something about his playing that makes you know it's Stevie - but it's not the tone... it's the vibe, the heart and soul or whatever you'll call it. No matter what gear he had used.
 
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It's the vibe and SRV never sounded the same because he was always changing his amps.

But you always knew it was him.

That's the measure of greatness.

But there are reasons that certain players use certain equipment.
 
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Henry Garza of Los Lonely Boys also gets a VERY accurate SRV tone on a lot of his rhythm/solos using a Mexican made Strat straight into a 65 Fender Twin reissue. Finish still on the guitar, no fancy trems/nuts/etc. And does it with texas special pickups to boot.......talk about a handicap.....
 
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you are contradicting yourself

Some people can't play heavy strings so I guess that means they can't get an SRV sound.....I don't think so. It just means they need to use a hotter pickup for more output and tone shaping amp wise.


Everybody is going to say, Oh you don't really need this and that. The fact is you do, otherwise SRV would have used other things. He used what he used for a reason.

while i may not have been playing for 40 years or owned 100+ fender and gibson guitars im not exactly a fng either. i have built plenty of guitars and while i agree that changing tuners will make a difference in both tone and playability i disagree that it will make more difference than changing strings and pups, dude.

if you had the same guitar strung with 11's and ssl1's or 9's and ssl5's vs vintage tuners and sperzels i think more people would notice a difference in the pup/string change than the tuners.
 
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That's exactly right most people would NOT.

Great players do......

If you ever talk to a pro he can write a book on just how to use a pick.

Some players can't articulate these things but they know it.

If you can't tell the difference it usually means you can't play that well.

If you don't care and can play that usually means you've basically given up and don't give a sheeeeeet anymore.

Some people can play but are just stupid and can't get it together.

I think SRV was not technical and did rely on other people to help him a long the way. But he could feel and hear it when something wasn't right, he didn't know why though. Plus he was stoned a lot of the time and constantly pressured to perform and make other people money.

That's a factor I brought up that a unknowing person would not take into consideration.

Most of the people that talk about this stuff do not know what it's like to have to make a living playing.........it very difficult and at this time in the music world almost impossible. But to actually tour and in front of 20,000+ people 4 or more gigs a week for month after month on the road.

To get an idea watch the movie "The Rose".........they bring up a lot of good points.

It's all part of the equation.

Live the life not the fantasy and then talk smack.

Just food for thought and I really don't want to offend anybody, I just would like you to think and understand the world around you. It's called enlightenment.

This forum is an example of some people who are has been's that never were meeting wannabee's that never will.
 
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