Starting to really dig the Custom Family...

jhale667

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Greetings all. As I posted some months ago in here, decided to swap out all my active humbucker-equipped Strats back to passives, and since I'd always had great luck with Duncan Distortion humbuckers in my teens, decided to try Duncans again. While I still want to try an Alt8 in something, I'd started off by putting a TB-11 in my 1-piece Koa bodied Warmoth Strat with an Ebony fingerboard:

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Also has an STK-S1N in the neck. LOVE that. But at first I was torn on the Custom Custom, because it seemly lacked low end, particularly at "apartment" volume. Everything else was happening about it, pleasing highs, nice mid spike, wasn't feelin' the palm-mutes. Haven't been gigging of late, so wasn't getting a chance to try it out at "playing with drummer" volume or anything for a bit. Toyed with the idea of changing magnets, and was reading up on the difference in and the process of turning it into a C5 or a C8 here.
Then came home from errands a couple of Saturday mornings ago, and my building's gardener was doing some major tree pruning, with a wood-chipper and whatnot, quite noisy. I thought "Hey....." and cranked up the Mesa-Boogie to closer to "gig" volume. HOLY CRAP, what a difference. It actually has some nice cabinet "thunk" happening! So thinking the CC is a keeper in that guitar. Scored another CC on Ebay for cheap that's going in a Musikraft Swamp-Ash Strat body with a nearly NOS Charvel Maple neck.


BUT, I also needed one for my baby, my number 1, first guitar I ever assembled (carefully not saying "built" to not offend the word-police :D ) as a teen. My old favorite Charvel neck (exactly the same as the other one I'd basically kept as a spare all these years) on a Northern Ash body. Originally had a Duncan SH-6 on it back in the day that got replaced with an EMG 81 in the 90s when I joined a band that wanted the Metallica "Black" album Rhythm tone. Heck, already had the Boogie...lol. It ended up staying in there for awhile, wasn't even using this guitar much for a period.
But once I'd grown tired of EMGs, this one had to go as well, and this guitar has recently come back into service to become my primary Dropped-D guitar. I'd read in several threads here that the regular Custom sounded great for drop-tunings and didn't mush out.

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Scored an older, non-logo'd TB-5 on Ebay the other day for CHEAP as well, and it arrived rather quickly since the seller was also in California. Installed it yesterday morning, goofed around with it all day today, and it too kicks a**! Maybe a wee bit of the ceramic snarl on the top end, but overall VERY nice; tight lows, especially on palm-mutes, and just enough mids. :D

So basically, I like them both! :cool2: Lead-wise, it seems to me at least (at first) that the TB-11 has the more pleasing voice of the two, but that's not to say the TB-5 is slouchy in that department, either.

Not seeing myself desperate to run out and try a C5 now, but still would like to check out a C8 and an Alt8 soon...but liking the A2 and Ceramic in their respective instruments and applications so far, don't see myself changing magnets in those two! :scratchch
 
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Re: Starting to really dig the Custom Family...

But I guess if I had a question for the gurus, it would be: Would changing the Ceramic out on the regular Custom in the Northern Ash-bodied one for an Alnico 8 retain the low-end clarity and mids, while smoothing out the highs? I'd consider making it a CC but don't want to lose any low-end tightness for the down-tuned stuff...

Any suggestions? :scratchch


Oh, and probably should mention I'm using 500k pots...
 
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OK, I'm convinced.

OK, I'm convinced.

:welcome: revisited...Necro-bump :D


I left things as-is in those two respective guitars for several months because I snagged a Pro Tools set-up (tried Nuendo first) and began recording a new demo; wanted the tones to remain as consistent as possible throughout the process, in case I ended up having to re-do or 'correct' any tracks (which I have).

I like them BOTH. Both guitars record very well - the CC gets a little more of an EVH "rock" vibe for lack of a better descriptor, and it sounds great split, IMO (and it also really matches up well with the STK-S1N in split-mode).
The regular Custom sounds like it wants to KILL everyone (in a good way!). This pickup is probably excellent for Metal, not that I'm fully going there with this project....lol. I even recorded a clean track with it because I was shooting for a dark, fat humbucking sound for a spooky background effect and it pulled that off.
I'm now quite the confirmed fan of the Custom wind, as it works well for my tastes with both magnets. Both the Ceramic at the A2 provide excellent lead voices as well, with IMO the A2 being the "sweeter" of the two. Was always the Duncan Distortion fan as a kid, probably should have tried the Custom sooner! ;)
At this point just for variety with these three Strats I'm leaving the CC in the Koa Strat, the Custom in the Northern Ash one, and will definitely be trying a Custom8 in the Swamp Ash one...:cool:
 
Re: Starting to really dig the Custom Family...

I don't know about the Custom 8, but I have a Crazy 8 and it rocks; at first I didn't like it b/c I didn't have it adjusted correctly, but after setting it up right it's magnificent. You owe it to yourself to try the 8 in your Custom ;)
 
Re: Starting to really dig the Custom Family...

But I guess if I had a question for the gurus, it would be: Would changing the Ceramic out on the regular Custom in the Northern Ash-bodied one for an Alnico 8 retain the low-end clarity and mids, while smoothing out the highs? I'd consider making it a CC but don't want to lose any low-end tightness for the down-tuned stuff...

Any suggestions? :scratchch


Oh, and probably should mention I'm using 500k pots...

IMO the C8 has more clarity than the normal Custom. It's very tight on the low end.
 
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Good to know, thanks. Yes, I'll definitely be trying out the 8. :D
 
Re: Starting to really dig the Custom Family...

I'd be inclined to try a Custom 5 in your Koa guitar.

Just tailor your pickups/guitar somwhat along these guidelines. Adding what you need to each respective guitar.

A2 buttery and smooth for a hard sounding guitar.
A3 harder/brighter A2
A4 hard balanced and clear....slightly hifi
A5 bouncy deep lows, neutral mids, clear highs...best for midheavy guitars like LP/PRS.
Ceramic. Like a fist to your amp's front end, but with a ballsy organic tone.
A8. Pure balls......like a meaner A5 or Ceramic.
 
Re: Starting to really dig the Custom Family...

I'd be inclined to try a Custom 5 in your Koa guitar.

Just tailor your pickups/guitar somwhat along these guidelines. Adding what you need to each respective guitar.

A2 buttery and smooth for a hard sounding guitar.
A3 harder/brighter A2
A4 hard balanced and clear....slightly hifi
A5 bouncy deep lows, neutral mids, clear highs...best for midheavy guitars like LP/PRS.
Ceramic. Like a fist to your amp's front end, but with a ballsy organic tone.
A8. Pure balls......like a meaner A5 or Ceramic.


:thanks: for the breakdown. I've considered the A5 in the Koa Strat, as it's a very even-sounding guitar (not 'hard' at all), but I worried the highs might be too much. I imagine I'd actually prefer the low-end response over the A2, but was concerned about the opposite end of the spectrum. From your description, sounds like that may not be the case. :scratchch
 
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IMO the C8 has more clarity than the normal Custom. It's very tight on the low end.

+1. That's why I prefer it over A2's. It has nice mids & warmth, but the low end is tight, it has more treble for bite, and the output balances nicely with a neck HB or P-90. Maybe not all the 'sweetness' of an A2, but to me it corrects some of the A2's shortcomings
 
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I'm liking the Custom family a lot too, very versatile. Seems with a magnet swap & it can do most things well. BTW, everything about the Custom applies to the 498T, which is very similar. In fact the 498T/490R becomes a virtual C5/'59N with an A5 in the neck.
 
Cool!

Cool!

BTW, everything about the Custom applies to the 498T, which is very similar. In fact the 498T/490R becomes a virtual C5/'59N with an A5 in the neck.


Good to know, since I have a couple of 498R's lying around in the parts drawer... :cool2: Thanks!
 
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It may sound too simple but try a 250 volume first.It makes the pickup smoother in the metallic sounding highs.Also from personal experience i can tell you that for some strange reason this character in ceramic pickups seems to be pronounced with an ebony fretboard.Ceramics nearly never sounded right to me with just a 500 volume and no tone pot.On the other hand a change like that may affect the neck pickup in a way you don't like but it's a very simple process so try a 250 volume pot first and decide :D
 
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It may sound too simple but try a 250 volume first.It makes the pickup smoother in the metallic sounding highs.Also from personal experience i can tell you that for some strange reason this character in ceramic pickups seems to be pronounced with an ebony fretboard.Ceramics nearly never sounded right to me with just a 500 volume and no tone pot.On the other hand a change like that may affect the neck pickup in a way you don't like but it's a very simple process so try a 250 volume pot first and decide :D

+1. 250K pots on the bridge are usually a good idea, unless you have a really dark PU or wood. To me, they're really needed with ceramics.
 
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Re: Cool!

Good to know, since I have a couple of 498T's lying around in the parts drawer... :cool2: Thanks!

498T's are great PU's; if you have some, you don't need to buy a C5, Custom, or CC. I especially like the A8 498T, which is basically a C8, and that's getting to be very around here.

I know that some guys are frustrated by their Gibson HB's, but I've done mag changes to all of mine, and they sound 100% better. They're really high quality PU's, just not always with the best choice of magnet from the factory. I put A5's in my 490R's & neck '57 Classics, and they sound very good, similar to a '59N. The dullness and mud is gone.

In the 490T, bridge '57, 498T, and 500T, I put in an A4 or A8; firmer bottom, more treble & definition, and more bite, than an A2; and more warmth than an A5. Nice balance of warmth & treble.
 
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