Stewmac Newsletter "Lets Talk Money"

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Yeah, but I bet the work is top notch, otherwise why would people keep going to him?

edit: Okay, I guess I don't have the same kind of experience with guitar shops as you guys do, I've been reading what you've said, and it does make sense that he charges for time, given his workload. You'll see I deleted the "borderline rape" comment in light of this. I guess it's different for me, I haven't been able to find any experienced techs in my area, so I've been forced to do a lot of the work on my guitars myself. I guess that means i'm out of touch with the value of luthier services though.
 
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considering he doesnt quote a charge for shipping itself...that might be included. if not then yeah, thats a little excessive
 
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I have seen some of his work first hand and he does a great job theirs no doubt about it. I know his shop is extremely busy but trying to charge someone to open a box to me just seems a tiny bit arrogant. But i guess if people are willing to pay it they i guess he's just smart enough to cash in. I didnt even notice the $80.05 for a new nut ($75.00 + 5.05 for the nut blank) for the jaw dropping "opening the box" charge.:eyecrazy:
 
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I actually thought those charges were quite reasonable for someone with Dan's skills.
 
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Really? I mean, I know the guys talented, but I don't know of anywhere else you would pay nearly $600 for what amounts to a new nut, a pickup change, and a fret job. I mean, I suppose the fret job would be pretty expensive, my local guitar center tried to charge me $300 to refret my strat when I asked them to level and crown the frets, luckily I didn't buy the Horse S*** they were trying to pass of as technical expertise, but still, $600 isn't exactly toilet paper money.
 
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He charges alot, but if I was really that busy I'd charge for packing up ****. It takes time out of one's day.
 
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He's not charging to unpack/repack the box. He's charging for the time it took him to do so. The guy is super busy, and chances are, if he wasn't packing a guitar to ship, he'd be doing another billable service.

Even if he isn't the one actually packing it, he's paying somebody else to do it.
 
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I actually thought those charges were quite reasonable for someone with Dan's skills.


I'd have to agree. Especially w/ someone in the same caliber as Erlwine. $80 for a new nut isn't all that bad when you take into consideration that he's doing it from a blank and shaping it down to size, making sure the slots are cut correctly etc... Even at that even the best of the best have a hard time getting it dead on the first time. Bone nuts are tricky to work with and very time consuming. Just from personal experience, there are about 5 shops in my area that do nut work. 4 of them charge around $40/$50 and most of the time, they look like they use butter knives to cut the slots. The one guy charges $75 and it's perfect every time. I'd personally rather spend the extra money knowing it was done right the first time.

I wouldn't really flip about a packaging charge either. Just think about all the times you've bought a guitar and it's been packed correctly. It takes some work getting it out of the box. And no matter how careful you are, you still have a mess to clean up. Also how long does it take you to properly pack a guitar for shipment. I don't mean tossing it in the case dropping in a box and tossing some crap in there. I mean securing it in the case and securing it in the box so it doesn't move. It takes awhile.

Bottom line is, in a busy shop like Dan's, time is money and you're going to pay for his time from the minute he lays hands on the package. If he were to do that for free, he'd be out around 45 minutes of bench time he could be working on another paying customers guitar that didn't ship his guitar in.

Just my .02, but I'm sure there other luthiers/techs out there that charge just as much. Maybe if XSSIVE has any clue what Mirabella charges for that kind of stuff he'll chime in. I'm betting he's not to far off either.
 
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I have to say... those charges aren't really that bad for a really high-end shop. Yeah, I've had bone nuts done (immaculately!) for around 50, but this guy's top notch. Honestly, if I had the money, he's work on all my guitars.
 
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I think you have to also note that he hasnt added a charge for the tme spent checking for problems / calculating the quote.

Most tradesmen will give you a call-out charge - the unpack/repack isnt too harsh a thing to charge for.
 
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I'd have to agree. Especially w/ someone in the same caliber as Erlwine. $80 for a new nut isn't all that bad when you take into consideration that he's doing it from a blank and shaping it down to size, making sure the slots are cut correctly etc... Even at that even the best of the best have a hard time getting it dead on the first time. Bone nuts are tricky to work with and very time consuming. Just from personal experience, there are about 5 shops in my area that do nut work. 4 of them charge around $40/$50 and most of the time, they look like they use butter knives to cut the slots. The one guy charges $75 and it's perfect every time. I'd personally rather spend the extra money knowing it was done right the first time.

I wouldn't really flip about a packaging charge either. Just think about all the times you've bought a guitar and it's been packed correctly. It takes some work getting it out of the box. And no matter how careful you are, you still have a mess to clean up. Also how long does it take you to properly pack a guitar for shipment. I don't mean tossing it in the case dropping in a box and tossing some crap in there. I mean securing it in the case and securing it in the box so it doesn't move. It takes awhile.

Bottom line is, in a busy shop like Dan's, time is money and you're going to pay for his time from the minute he lays hands on the package. If he were to do that for free, he'd be out around 45 minutes of bench time he could be working on another paying customers guitar that didn't ship his guitar in.

Just my .02, but I'm sure there other luthiers/techs out there that charge just as much. Maybe if XSSIVE has any clue what Mirabella charges for that kind of stuff he'll chime in. I'm betting he's not to far off either.

+1. I especially agree re the packing process. I've shipped gtrs, and a proper job takes time.

Overall, this isn't the average repair shop, and the market agrees.
 
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Really? I mean, I know the guys talented, but I don't know of anywhere else you would pay nearly $600 for what amounts to a new nut, a pickup change, and a fret job. I mean, I suppose the fret job would be pretty expensive, my local guitar center tried to charge me $300 to refret my strat when I asked them to level and crown the frets, luckily I didn't buy the Horse S*** they were trying to pass of as technical expertise, but still, $600 isn't exactly toilet paper money.

I've got a quote from february 2006 from a very notorious shop in W. 48th St. New York to *replace* a TOM bridge in a '68 Les Paul Custom: $ 190.00 + shipping. Ninety bucks for the bridge, a hundred for the job.

You said 'bout Dan...?

:)

Dan Erlewine is the Jedi Master of American Lutherie... and if you read his books or watch his videos, every time he used something that learned from somebody else, that somebody else is ALWAYS quoted, or, showing the trick or technique HIMSELF instead for Dan.

Doesn't it say something about the Dan persona? I'm certain it does.
 
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I am a remodeler/painter by trade.

I charge to put tape on the wall and I charge to take out the trash. I charge to caulk your trim and I charge to cover your floor.

If I am doing it, I am charging you. The estimate and the handshake are free unless it is an insurance job. You can make money on my insurance quotes so if I am not dealing with the insurance company directly you pay for the quote too. Thing is I can usually get double for a job what your insurance company will offer you. I am not going to double your money for free unless I am getting the work.

It's the market place baby!
 
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$75 for a nut isnt that big a deal, ive charged that much before. not my typical price but not really outlandish. a good nut is worth that and more.

if some one shipped me a box full of peanuts, id charge $20 for dealing with it too!
 
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But $75 for a new nut, $20 for packing the guitar? That, my friends, is borderline rape.


He's cheaper on that charge than my local shops ($80-$95 for a new nut and installation), and barring one guy who is a world class "luthier to the stars" I'm sure he does a hell of a better job

Also Dan can complain all he wants but using Newspaper TOTALLY VOIDS any warranty claim you may make with UPS if the item is damaged. You must use peanuts/bubblewrap. Thats straight from UPS-they are getting really strict on this stuff (prolly cos they bust up more things than not).

I had to totally re-pack a guitar I sold in the spring because I had used some Newspaper at the bottom between the bubble wrap.
 
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Guess I just realized how cheap are luthiers charges here in Brazil.The luthier of a local shop in my town charged me about 8 dollars to do a new bone nut and about 50 to do me a refret.
 
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The article reads: "These figures give a good idea of charges at a well-established, but not high-end, shop... I hope this information is helpful if you’re starting your own repair business."

I take this to mean the prices listed are a simply guideline for someone who has his own repair shop, not that these are the actual prices that Dan's shop charges. Perhaps Dan's shop is indeed "high-end" and may charge more.
 
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