Strange whistling in amps

sombersoul

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I tried out my new ENGL Savage 120 today, which I had bought on eBay. My other amp is a Peavey 6505. I get a strange whistling sound from both amps, although not as much from the Peavey as from the Savage 120. Let me explain.

Playing the Savage 120 today, I noticed a high-pitched squeal in the clean channel. When touching the strings, it would disappear. However, in the lead channel (with obviously much more gain), the whistling got louder. When playing full chords or holding the strings, the whistling would disappear. When playing palm mutes, the whistling was very loud and also had sort of an after-effect (which means that there was an audible "clang" even after the palm mute was played). Now, this is NO feedback. I use an ISP Decimator in front of the amp, and I know how normal feedback sounds. This whistling, almost sine-like tone has a very rattling, metallic quality to it. Like there's something broken. It sounds like bad or microphonic tubes to me. However, here comes the strange part. As mentioned above, I get this whistling in both my amps! I remember it's been in the Peavey before I even got the ENGL, but it only occurred very infrequently. Furthermore, it was not as half as bad as on the Savage 120. Today I a/b'ed the two amps and got the same whistling again in both amps. This makes me think it's something else than the tubes. I've replaced the tubes in my 6505 several times over the last month, experimenting with the tone. The Savage 120 came with the stock tubes from the previous owner. I also tried another cab. Same phenomenon. What I haven't tried yet is another guitar or without the pedalboard.

Can someone more versed in things technical advise me, please? From the metallic-clanky-rattling whistling tone, I would naturally assume it was the tubes. But on both amps?
 
Re: Strange whistling in amps

I would really look at the signal before the amps, since it is happening to both amps= maybe a cable, are you using a speaker cable to hook up your speakers? a good sheilded instrument cable for your guitar signal? maybe the pedals, maybe the guitar- I'd try another guitar, and a different cable, straight into the amps, If it still does it, then it would be a strange coincidence that both amps tubes were shot.
 
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Today I'll look at everything BEFORE the amp. I'll also try to do a recording of the phenomenon, so it becomes clear what I actually mean. Describing it with words is a bit difficult. As far as I know, there are no parrots in my head(s). :)

I use quality cables for both guitars and effects and also for amp to cabinet. Today I'll also try a different guitar and also plugging in straight without anything before the amp.
 
Re: Strange whistling in amps

I would really look at the signal before the amps, since it is happening to both amps= maybe a cable, are you using a speaker cable to hook up your speakers? a good sheilded instrument cable for your guitar signal? maybe the pedals, maybe the guitar- I'd try another guitar, and a different cable, straight into the amps, If it still does it, then it would be a strange coincidence that both amps tubes were shot.


Man that happened to me once. We had a little fly with the van (Knight Rider (R) style) when crossing railroad and the bump damaged tubes pretty badly somehow. They did not break or anything but above a (relatively low) gain setting both amps engaged sine-wave generator mode. All tubes were replaced and whistle gone.
 
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OK, I still haven't figured out the problem. I really tried everything I could think of short of replacing all the tubes. I tried different cables, with/without pedalboard, different plugs, different outlets, different guitars and cabinets, different players (!)...to no effect. The sine-line tone and the rattle esp. with palm mutes is still there. On both my amps. I recorded a short clip with my digicam. Of course, the inferior sound quality of the camera mic doesn't help, but you can clearly hear the sine-line tone on the clean channel and also some kind of strange buzzing sound, which was new last time, as well as the rattling that follows muted strings.

http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a9600697/s120-clean.mp3

Bear in mind, this is the clean channel! Not much gain engaged, ISP Decimator activated. Listen closely to the muted strings playing. There you can hear the sine-line tone best.
 
Re: Strange whistling in amps

perhaps it's dirty electricity?...try a power conditioner?

hope you figure it out!
 
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Yeah, I'm thinking it might be the rehearsal room. How else would you explain the fact that the noise comes with every amp/cab/guitar/player combination? It just puzzles me that this is a relatively recent phenomenon (and very annoying, too!) I'll investigate it more...
 
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