Strat Trem Block Upgrade

LukeW

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Hey all,

I'm thinking of maybe trying a trem block upgrade since my MIA strat clone has a small zinc block. I like the trem to sit on the top of the guitar with the claw screwed all the way in. Would more mas in the trem block make a difference or would there be no benefit since it is practically a hardtail until I push down on the arm? Thanks.
 
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You may notice some tone difference, but I doubt there'd be much. Haven't tried it myself, so I can't say for certain.
 
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I can understand how there would be a difference in a floating setup but wondered if anyone had tried it in a non-floating tremolo. Supposedly more mass will give more sustain and the choice of metal can color the tone. But since I have it franked down I should have a lot of mass already there I would think. Thanks for the reply.
 
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You may notice some tone difference, but I doubt there'd be much. Haven't tried it myself, so I can't say for certain.

If you have not tried it, why comment?

Yes, you will experience a real difference.

Killer Guitar Components make a Brass replacement block that sound much better than the Fender zinc-steel piece of junk.

http://www.killerguitarcomponents.com/products/tremolo-blocks


Tell Rick that Larry recommend his products.
 
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Would more mas in the trem block make a difference or would there be no benefit since it is practically a hardtail until I push down on the arm?

Yes, it does make a difference, whether decked or floating; and no, it's not practically a hardtail unless it actually is a hardtail.
 
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I had a big brass block from Fu-Tone in my Charvel and it was a noticeable difference. More "umph", more presence, a bigger tone and more sustain. I'm going to install one in my Jackson soon too.
 
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Thanks for the replies. Has anyone heard anything good or bad about blocks from Guitar Fetish? Or are the ones suggested better machined?
 
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well i have one of my strat copy guitar with GFS steel blocks, and it certainly did improve getting some solid high-end and sustain. I also know of friend who got his thin sounding strat copy to sound fatter (good low-end) using their brass block. I would rate it the lowest out of the blocks mentioned here (they are not physically the fattest blocks i ve seen), but they are by far the cheapest by big margin. So if u are not cash strapped i would recommend u replacing the stock block with the other mentioned blocks here.

material/fabrication wise out of the different blocks mentioned in the above posts i would put the KGC one at the top followed by NU-tone (they only have brass blocks). Surprisingly the Calaham blocks were never mentioned yet, I would put them at the very top in terms of quality. make sure u order the block that fits ur bridge and string spacing.
 
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Hey all,

I'm thinking of maybe trying a trem block upgrade since my MIA strat clone has a small zinc block. I like the trem to sit on the top of the guitar with the claw screwed all the way in. Would more mas in the trem block make a difference or would there be no benefit since it is practically a hardtail until I push down on the arm? Thanks.

There seems to be three common types of trem blocks; the super ****ty type which do little more than hold you string in type, weighs barely more than an ounce:

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Next up it the middle of the road pot metal trem which at least has some mass to it, weighing close to 6 oz.

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Finally the good ****, full sized steel block weighing 10oz

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If you have the first type, then upgrading the trem block would probably make a difference. I haven't tried a Strat with the first type of trem block, but someone who had that type reported there was a big drop in volume when they used the whammy, so I suspect that, in a state rest, enough of the vibration makes it to the wood body for good body resonance.

If you have the more substantial pot metal block, IMO there's not a big difference between it and the steel block. There is no big volume drop when using the vibrato with the 6 oz. pot metal block. I think all the steel block does is add a little more sustain in the very high-high treble range. I can't even say I've for sure heard that extra treble, it just stands to reason that the trebles would sustain longer with a more dense mass under the saddles. And more treble is not necessarily a good thing, either. Do you want a guitar that sounds like it's made out of wood or steel? Keep in mind that Fender installs 250k pots to knee cap high end treble on Strats, and very few people question that wisdom.

It's a fact of physics that you will gain some sustain when you put a more solid mass below the strings. Going from 1 oz. to 10 oz. might be noticeable, but I honestly couldn't hear any difference between my identical Strats with 10 oz. steel and 6 oz. pot metal trem blocks. I had two Strats, one with the stock pot metal block, one with the steel block on either side of my head, by my ears, and I'd strum them both at once and try to see if I could figure out which one faded away first. Strumming one with just a tiny big more force caused it to overshoot the other by a mile, it was very difficult to tell any difference after repeated tandem strumming, trying desperately to get a conclusive answer, if only for my own purposes. I wanted to know if I should buy ten more steel blocks or not. I wish Myth Busters would get on the case.

Be wary with everything you read about trem block replacement that very few people are honestly able to A/B the difference between steel and whatever they had before. An hour would have passed between the time they last heard their guitar, removed the old trem block, put in the new one, strung the guitar back up and plugged it in again, so there's the risk of fallible eye witness who doesn't remember exactly what they heard. On top of that there's the motivation to want to hear an improvement when we do something to our guitar that costs money. Nobody would want to believe they spent $80 on a part and spend an hour installing it all for nothing. I'm especially suspicious when people describe obviously very subtle differences as being "huge improvements", or even choose to use an ambiguous word like "improvement" in the first place. Same is true with pickups, it's pretty rare that any one is astonishingly better or worse than an other. It's really about variety anyway, not better this and worse that.
 
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My main reason for using a Callaham block on all my Strats is the fact that it completely eliminates any play in the tremolo arm. You move it, it moves the bridge. No knocking or rattling whatsoever. Worth it for that alone.
 
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^ That's the nice thing about the Callaham block, but a roll of teflon plumbers tape also eliminates play.
 
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Hey all,

I'm thinking of maybe trying a trem block upgrade since my MIA strat clone has a small zinc block. I like the trem to sit on the top of the guitar with the claw screwed all the way in. Would more mas in the trem block make a difference or would there be no benefit since it is practically a hardtail until I push down on the arm? Thanks.

The mass itself doesn't make a difference. A had an old AVRI trem with a non-magnetic block that sounded precisely like my Callaham, although it was much lighter. On the other hand there is a big difference to MIJ trems.

And just because it isn't magnetic doesn't mean it is zinc. And magnetic ones can be anything with iron in it and various forms of steel except stainless steel.
 
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i have the smaller block so it probably would help to have a bigger one. Another option I have seen is the Wilkinson 5+1 which would come with a steel block and steel saddles (mine are not magnetic which would make me think they are zinc as well). Maybe that would help with some tuning stability (I have already installed a graph tech nut). Has anyone tried one of these trems? http://www.amazon.com/WILKINSON-TREMOLO-STEEL-BLOCK-CHROME/dp/B006X0T7MI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1398187850&sr=8-1&keywords=wilkinson+5%2B1
 
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i have the smaller block so it probably would help to have a bigger one. Another option I have seen is the Wilkinson 5+1 which would come with a steel block and steel saddles (mine are not magnetic which would make me think they are zinc as well). Maybe that would help with some tuning stability (I have already installed a graph tech nut). Has anyone tried one of these trems?
Yep, i recently installed a 5+1 in Squier MiJ 1987. The overall sound is much more brighter and cutting, its a bit like having new steel strings put on. Great piece of gear and well made.
Btw there are two versions: with modern or vintage style saddles. I chose the modern one.
 
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Thanks for the help everyone. hamerfan, did you Squier have the narrow screw spacing, and if so did you have to plug the holes and redrill?
 
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Im also a big believer in the big blocks. they really have helped wake up my guitars. My Charvel booms like an LP with the mods Ive made. (Big block, brass claw and SS lock bolts. The lock bolts add alittle wait too) I dont know about the GFS ones. The first big blocks I bought were from a guy selling them on ebay. They worked fine and made a diff. Now I buy em from KGC tho. A bit heavier, nicer machined and have the avail spring holder plate with only alittle bit of cost difference
 
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Huge difference. Monumental even. Totally recommend callaham.


Here's a video demonstrating bridge block swaps can make.
 
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Huge difference. Monumental even. Totally recommend callaham.


Here's a video demonstrating bridge block swaps can make.

A couple things, but most importantly, this is a floating Floyd Rose. With a floating bridge, the block is far more important since there is only a single point of contact between the bridge and body. With a standard Strat trem, in a state of rest, the bridge is laying flat against the body and making fairly solid contact between the body and all sides of the bridge plate, so you can't expect results like those seen in the video, even assuming they're honest result.

I also question the cleanliness (maybe the honesty) of the comparison. Hop between 0:26 seconds and 1:22. It's like the sound difference between series and parallel, not light to heavy block. The treble spectrum should increase in amplitude, not decrease, I would think, but maybe a big enough difference in string vibration could actually dramatically impact the output profile of the pickup, I dunno. The first clip also has like a mild room reverb while the second has a chorus or wet, hall reverb sound, like they tweaked some things between takes, and didn't just plug into, unplug, and then plug back in to an untouched rig. That could also be due to a variation in input level, but I really doubt it. They might be pulling a 60 Minutes on us. Guitar World is nice to vendors, often reviewing hardware nobody else gives a **** about.

Trem block replacements, at least with stock Strat trems, are fairly subtle. It's ballsy to even do a comparison for YouTube and expect that viewers would even discern a difference.
 
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With a standard Strat trem, in a state of rest, the bridge is laying flat against the body and making fairly solid contact between the body and all sides of the bridge plate, so you can't expect results like those seen in the video, even assuming they're honest result.

All of my Strats ( I have 10 in this office, 2 and 6 point) except one are set up to float.
 
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