Stratocaster: Hardtail vs blocking the tremolo?

Artie

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I love the simple, clean design of the Robert Cray Stratocaster. I also like that there's more wood in the body. But my luthier friend tells me that, sonically, I'm better off to block the tremolo and tighten the claw. He's says there's something about those springs resonating with the body. The minor experiment that I've done with my cheap-ish Johnson Strat bears that out. It seems "richer" than it was before.

What say yee? Hardtail vs blocked tremolo? (Assuming, of course, that you don't actually use the tremolo.) :)

Artie
 
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It's 2 different things...

Some guys feel that the springs and big hole in the guitar are a big part of the of the sound of a Strat...Clapton is one of them. Fender offered to make his signature Strat a hardtail since he never uses the vibrato but he was very much against that since he feels that the more traditional vibrato loaded version is the one that sounds right to him even though it's been blocked for decades!

On the other side of that there are some guys...Cray comes to mind as does Nile Rodgers that feel that a factory hardtail Strat is the way to go.

I like 'em both but for different things...
 
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Good answer. So, I need to own at least one of both. ;)
 
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I know Rory Gallagher had his trem blocked and preferred that over a hardtail for the same reason your friend prefers it.
The tremelo and its springs are a big part of what makes it sound stratty to me, so I would go for blocked with a tremel-no.
 
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I just dig the looser feel of strings on a hardtail. Makes it way easier to play, and I feel hardtails sustain a wee bit longer too.
 
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I have routed a hardtail Roadstar to have a 6-point.

Whether you block it or not, the big piece of steel or zinc is forming the sound. Personally I like it better than solid wood on long scale guitars.

The only exception I found to this rule is the Music Man Steve Morse which sounds more like my tremolo long-scale. It has a TOM, no string-through, and is made of poplar. I think in that case the combination of the wood and the bridge lifted off the guitar with a fluffy string anchor loosens it up.

Strat, alder, flush mount fender bridge and strings through body are a special case guitar for me. Neck pickups will be very boomy. A Tele does the trick by pancaking out the magnetic field of the pickup with the large steel bridge and having the mother of all wimpy neck pickups.
 
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Strat, alder, flush mount fender bridge and strings through body

Interesting that you have gripes bout that kinda guitar. My hardtail strat is exactly that. All maple neck though. And the body's got a swimming pool route too.

The lil '59 I have in the neck is not boomy at all, but it is quite warm and creamy for a strat. Also the Custom(w/ RC A3 mag) I have in the bridge is the only humbucker that has ever sounded 100% uniquely suited to this guitar. The amount of thickness, growl, clarity, warmth and mojo I get from these pickups in this guitar actually reminds me a lot of a really nice les paul.
 
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Maybe the large pickup route helps?

I suppose making a semiacoustic will also work.
 
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perhaps. All I know is that I love this guitar lol
 
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To me, the hard tail is a little more leaning in the tele direction. Its still a Strat sound tho'. Don't sweat it.
 
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The hardtail sounds a little different, seeing as there is solid wood where the gaping hole in the back for trem springs would be. I find that a hardtail has more sustain, and it sounds a lot more 'immediate' (as opposed to bouncy or springy like a regular strat).

I think it depends on which part of the strat sound you like the most, if you like the bouncy or round sounds then I'd take a regular and block the tremelo, if you like the glassier, sharper or 'pristine clean' sounds then a hardtail might be more for you. I say this as a hardtail strat owner who has tried a handful of trem strats over the years, but I've yet to find a trem strat that makes me want to switch.
 
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All Strats I've played sounded like Strats, hardtail or not. None had a Tele-y tone. However, the extent to which I can tell a difference between hardtail or blocked vibrato (all my synchronized bridges were either decked or blocked) is mostly based on just how much I can hear the sympathetic vibrations from the springs. I've always muted my springs, it's a "I used to be a shredder" thing that took a while for me to stop doing, so for a long time I never actually heard that much of a difference and attributed the differences in sustain and tone to whether that Strat was a "good one" moreso than the type of bridge.

Once I stopped muting the springs I started noticing all the extra sproingy resonant noises that sound kinda awesome in vibrato Strats, but also, I realized that it's something you notice when you play but much of those sympathetic vibrations don't actually go to the amp and out of the speakers.

For me the difference was in feel and maybe not so much in tone. As a result, for me it's more about finding the right Strat, vibrato or hardtail, moreso than choosing between the two bridges.
 
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I would not lose any sleep over which method you use to arrive at a hardtail Strat. The big decision is really floating vibrato vs. blocked or dive only vibrato. Strats sound like Strats and feel like Strats because of the automatic vibrato ("waver") that they have at all times. You are always using the vibrato on a Strat, even if you aren't doing it actively. Look at the vibrato when you fret a chord. It moves. Look at it when you bend a string. It moves. Look at it when you palm mute. It moves. Look at it when you hit a chord hard versus when you hit a chord soft. It moves differently. The strings on a Strat are always moving around, with anything you do, and that has a huge impact on the guitar behaving like what a classic Strat behaves like. Also, sound aside, there is an enormous difference in how a Strat feels when it is blocked vs. when it is floating. The difference in how the strings "fight back" (or don't rather) when it is blocked is a big one.

It doesn't matter which method you use to disable the vibrato. The simple act of disabling it in any way, shape, or form significantly changes the way Strats sound. Splitting hairs between which method is used makes little sense, especially when you are basing your decisions on untested wives' tales spread by famous people who have no particular wealth of knowledge in the areas of physics, mechanics, acoustics, etc., and are used to simply being able to say whatever the hell they want with no one telling them they're full of it. The differences between methods are entirely negligible when you think about the huge and obvious difference in sound and feel that simply not having a vibrato makes.
 
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I recently bought a Squire Strat ($50) to use as a mod platform. I'm planning on throwing in a set of EMG's, Blackouts, or an SD DD/59. But I looked at a couple different ones. One was a hardtail the other was a Tremolo. I played both for a time and ended up with the tremolo so I can block it off. Even if I'm going to hot rod it for use outside of what a Strat is traditionally for (3 moderate output singles vs 2 hum with the bridge being high output), you still get more of the Strat tone from the tremolo blocked off than the hardtail. My two cents.
 
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