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Ozone

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I'm thinking of getting a new 4x12 cab. I'd be playing my Laney VH100R thur it. I've got a 2x12 cab with Vintage 30's in it right now. The V30's are OK, but they're a little, for the lack of a better word, stiff. The top end could be a bit more open and I'm not crazy about the low/high mids or the slight fuzziness/harshness of the V30's. To keep it short I'd want something a little "sweeter" and more open.

I'm not on a budget per say, but I'd like something reasonably priced. I've been thinking about getting a cab with Eminence GB12's. Maybe a cab with a quartet of the GB12's or a cab with GB12's on the top and Emi V12's on the bottom. I'm basically looking for a greenback equivalent with a higher power rating (cause I don't wanna risk blowing my speakers with an 100 watt high gain amp). But I'm totally open to new suggestions and wanna hear what you guys think.

My band plays rock/hard rock/80s rock/metal/70s rock/etc. rock á la Van Halen, Kiss, Ratt, Dokken and so on. Think "Back For The Attack", "Under Lock And Key", "Invasion Of Your Privacy" etc. etc to get an idea of the tones I'm looking for.
 
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The Eminence Red Coat Private Jack, which is a Greenback type speaker might work well for you. At a 50 watt rating, it will hold up, too.
 
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keep your v30s, and use them in an x pattern with a pair of g12t75s.
That way you have all your 80s hair metal tones in the one place. The two speakers complement each other well so it ends up souding better than a quartet of either speaker.
 
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gibson175 said:
keep your v30s, and use them in an x pattern with a pair of g12t75s.
That way you have all your 80s hair metal tones in the one place. The two speakers complement each other well so it ends up souding better than a quartet of either speaker.
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That sounds like an interesting idea, doesn't Bogner make something with that configuration?

Anyway, I just browsed thur eBay and it would make no difference what-so-ever cash-wise, if I sold my current cab and bought an empty 4x12 and a couple of the g1275s or if I just got a quartet of the GB12s (+ the empty 4x12) or any combo of Emi speakers for that matter.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is, should I keep the V30s cause that'll get me the closest to what I want or should I keep them cause it would be more convenient?
 
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Ozone said:
rock/hard rock/80s rock/metal/70s rock/etc. rock á la Van Halen, Kiss, Ratt, Dokken and so on. Think "Back For The Attack", "Under Lock And Key", "Invasion Of Your Privacy" etc. etc
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G12T7's were what nearly everyone used back in that era, before the v30 became the go to choice for hard rock. Put em togther and you have THE hard rock/metal cab.
Greenbacks are wonderful speakers and all, but their sound is that of an entirely different (earlier) era.
So yeh, keep the v30s. :)
 
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Go to the Mesa Boogie website, and take your pick of their Celestion 90s. I put 4 of them in my Laney 4x12 and it was the best decision I made. I also got one for my 1x12 which I plug in my Laney modded 15 watt LC15 amp into. I can tell you that these speakers will handle anything you can throw at them, and they sound great.
 
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The idea of G12T-75s and V30s is really starting to grow on me... Now I've just gotta go hunt down an empty 412 and a couple used g12t75s... Is wiring a 4x12 hard or do you think I could pull it off? I've got some experience working with electronics and I can pretty much hold a soldering iron :1: Or should I just let a tech do it for me... Any tips?

And on a related matter: It would basically cost me less to sell my 212 and get some used OR even a couple of new V30s(given, then I'd have to break them in..). Could I use the empty 212 for something useful or would it just end up collecting dust? If so, I'd rather just sell it...
 
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I would hang onto your 2x12 and use it for taking to small rehearsals/gigs etc or even leaving at a practice place to save on transit.

Wiring a cab is really easy if you google it you should find the info within the first few results.

The v30/T75 is a great combo but i prefer the eminence equivalents which are the Man O War and Governer. Cheaper and a lot crisper sounding in my opinion.

My preferred combo though is a governer/private jack in a 2x12. I find 4x12s unnecessary and also boomier and less punchy.
 
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Ozone said:
Is wiring a 4x12 hard or do you think I could pull it off? I've got some experience working with electronics and I can pretty much hold a soldering iron
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yeh its easy.

As far as Toe-Knees recommendation....ive never tried the manowar or the governor, but if they are anywhere near as good as the other eminence speakers ive tried then that would be totally killer also.
 
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choices, choices, choices.... Emis do sound tempting because of their price and all... How about a 4x12 with 4 Private Jacks? Or maybe a blend of V30s and Private Jacks? I could get a 412 that comes stock with Private Jacks so I wouldn't have to worry about wiring them. Although, I just google searched wiring cabs and it seems pretty straight forward...
 
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I've got to bump this one more time....
So, I'm pretty much set on the g12t-75s and v30 in an x pattern. Now I've just got to find a empty 4x12. There's this company(Palmer) that sells empty 4x12 made out of MDF. I don't really know anything about this kind of stuff.. So a couple questions:

1. What is MDF? I've google searched it, but if anybody has some more-in-detail info please do share.

2. What will it sound like and will it really make any difference in a full band mix?

3. Would I be better off building one myself, which I really wouldn't want to do because of the extra time it's gonna consume.
 
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Ozone said:
1. What is MDF? I've google searched it, but if anybody has some more-in-detail info please do share.
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Medium Density Fiberboard. Basically, they take a bunch of sawdust and wood chips, pack it together really tight and put a veneer or something thin on either side to hold it together.

2. What will it sound like and will it really make any difference in a full band mix?
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It will sound not so good. Yes it will make a difference, because the resonance of the cab will be crap. What you want is a birch ply cab. it's pretty much the industry standard for good cabs because it's strong, stiff, and has musical resonance.

3. Would I be better off building one myself, which I really wouldn't want to do because of the extra time it's gonna consume.
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Not really necessary. Keep an eye peeled on your local craigslist or kijiji for a cab in good physical/aesthetic condition though. They can be had for surprisingly cheap when they're empty.
 
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Ozone said:
I've got to bump this one more time....
So, I'm pretty much set on the g12t-75s and v30 in an x pattern. Now I've just got to find a empty 4x12. There's this company(Palmer) that sells empty 4x12 made out of MDF. I don't really know anything about this kind of stuff.. So a couple questions:

1. What is MDF? I've google searched it, but if anybody has some more-in-detail info please do share.

2. What will it sound like and will it really make any difference in a full band mix?
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I just did the G12-T75/Vintage30 X-pattern in a 1960A, and I love it. I probably already said that. But who cares?

MDF is used for stereo speakers because it's stable, consistent, and fairly non-resonant. That's all good when you're trying to reproduce music that's already been made, or when you're trying to apply furniture-grade veneers and finishes, but it's not the best when you're trying to create music and can get away with wrapping the thing in Tolex and big corner pieces. There are some pleasing resonances in a good plywood guitar cab that you'd be missing with an over-damped MDF enclosure.
 
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gibson175 said:
keep your v30s, and use them in an x pattern with a pair of g12t75s.
That way you have all your 80s hair metal tones in the one place. The two speakers complement each other well so it ends up souding better than a quartet of either speaker.
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Since I have a stereo setup, I use an old Crate 4x12 loaded with Celestion G12H-80 speakers (cousin of the Classic Lead 80 manufactured for Line 6 Vetta cabinets for a short time) in conjunction with a Mesa Recto loaded with Vintage 30 speakers.

The combination really fills the gaps each speaker has. The V30s are nasal alone, but offer some mid presence to the very clean and balanced (nearly to a fault) 80 watt Celestions.

The combo of Vintage 30s with G12T-75, Classic Lead 80s, G12H-80s or Mesa-Celestion Black Shadow 90s seems to work really well.

I am sure my next cabinet will be a Mesa/Boogie Road King for that reason.
 
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