Suggestion for a pair of custom 1x12 cabs?

[IMENATOR]

I was able to find a guy who makes custom cabs so I am interested to have a stereo rig by using a pair of 1x12 cabs and at some point take advantage of stereo delay/chorus.

I like different kinds of music, I like playing cleans, some overdrive for bluesy songs but I also like to play rock/metal. So far my only clues are open backs are better for spreading the sound around while closed back is better for punchy low end but sound does not spread that well, I think I will be doing both closed back and slightly point them in two directos to better spread the sound into the front.

I also know a dealer of Celestion speakers so I was wondering what kind of Celestion speakers are more suited for my needs. At some point I was thinking of a pair of Seventy80 which seems to be affordable and used on different cabs/combos from Fender/Marshall but not sure if I am narrowing down my options here. Which other Celestion spekaers you think would be interesting to have? I am thinking on 80 W or close on each speaker. How about the G12T-75 that is part of Marshall's cabs and I have seen in 1x12 cabs by ISP?

 

[ehdwuld]

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Speaking of Custom cabs
Kustom make unpowered pa speakers that are dirt cheap New
And better yet used

*(Sent from my durned phone!)*

 

[IMENATOR]

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Speaking of Custom cabs
Kustom make unpowered pa speakers that are dirt cheap New
And better yet used

*(Sent from my durned phone!)*

I am not lookinf for PA spekaers, I want guitar cab speakers. Maybe I did not explain properly.

 

[FuseG4]

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can you have him make convertible cabs with a removable back panel to switch between open and closed back? Since you're going custom it seems like a good option.

V30s are good options, rather versatile (they have a certain midrange that you may either love or hate, though), they do good in closed back cabs, Orange and Mesa both use them, and they are some of the loudest speakers celestion makes. They take 60 watts and so you can handle most amps with a pair of them. Something to consider.

 

[Laughing Kookaburra]

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These will cost more than the 70/80s, but to my mind would be worth it, having tried the 65 watt version. They should handle very nicely the styles you mention, although I'm not certain about more extreme styles of metal, and are close to what you want in terms of power handling.

http://celestion.com/product/141/g12h75_creamback/

 

[FuseG4]

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Tell us what amp and if you feel like you need to change anything. Louder or quieter, more or less mid range, brighter or darker, and what cab you currently use, please

 

[Chickenwings]

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for open back cabs:
vintage = g12m creamback
70s = g12h creamback
modern = g12k100

 

[ehdwuld]

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I am not lookinf for PA spekaers, I want guitar cab speakers. Maybe I did not explain properly.

i understood your question
you missunderstood my answer

the cheap pa speaker cab with a change of speaker
is a guitar cab

 

[Gone_Shootin]

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If I were to have somebody build a pair of custom 1x12s, I'd go for a Thiele type design.

 

[IMENATOR]

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Tell us what amp and if you feel like you need to change anything. Louder or quieter, more or less mid range, brighter or darker, and what cab you currently use, please

Well I currently have a Roland Cube 40XL, it is a 1x10 closed back, the best of it is the clean channel but I want better distorted tone while keeping a lot of clean headroom. A couple of months ago I was very close to get myself a Marshall 40DSLC but some recurring problems came back to bother my knee so I decided to go after a lighweight rig. I had olso noticed the Marshall had a nice clean tone but its headroom did not allow for loud clean sound which I also like.

I am about to buy a AMT SS-20 Pream, a ISP Stealth Power amp and this thing supports stereo applications with up to 80 watts per channel (around 65 watts per channel when the impedance is 8 ohms).

I was reading the Celestion page and they do suggest this affordable Seventy80 for lot of clean headroom applications. At some point I would think it makes sense when you work with stomp boxes or amp modelers to keep their tone intact on higher volumes but on the other hand some people say speaker breakup can add something good to your tone but I have no idea what that meanes, I have not heard a demo so far demonstrating how speaker breakup sounds like. The AMT SS-20 is not a modeler or stomp box, it is a tube based preamp, in the same way a real tube amp has a pream section so maybe it would benefit from spekaer breakup at high volumes, maybe not.

So how good or bad you think G12T-75 is for a 1x12 cab? I know it kind of rules the market of Marshalls 4x12 but that is a whole different beast? The creamback family sounds interesting on demos of people who upgraded from their stock Seventy80.

Thanks in advance

 

[FuseG4]

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speaker breakup can muddy up your tone. If you want clear or heavy tone and if you've got the sound you like mostly from the preamp and just need to make it louder, I'd avoid a lot of breakup. Speaker breakup is often desired by the blues rock/classic rock guys who don't need much more than ac/dc levels of gain. it's like another layer of grindy texture and compression.
The seventy/80 is indeed higher headroom and that's why it got paired with a lot of solid state or modeling amps.

the g12t-75 and seventy/80 both have some "mid scoop" and some slightly harsh top end going on, but the 12t-75 is certainly not bad for heavy rock sounds especially with marshall flavored things as it is not doubling up on that cutting marshall midrange.

which one is better, and is the creamback better than either?
Unfortunately I'm not familiar with that amp. But the G12T-75 I'm sure is capable of keeping things tighter with lots of gain, but your clean sounds may be a little bright or weak sounding. Perhaps one creamback, one G12T.

 

[allbutromeo]

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A cream back and a v30 make a great combo, maybe check into WGS speakers, good price and quality clones of celestions

 

[AlexR]

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Heritage 65 is great in a closed back.
The creamback works well in an openback. I have both in this configuration running stereo from a stereo reverb pedal.

Both of these speakers run about the same efficiency and wattage.

 

[IMENATOR]

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If you want clear or heavy tone and if you've got the sound you like mostly from the preamp and just need to make it louder, I'd avoid a lot of breakup.

I think you made a good point there, I think my top priority tones are (1) Enough clean headroom for fender like clean tones or getting overdrive tones from pedals like my Fulltone Plimsoul, the preamp I want seems to do a pretty good job on clean channel (2) Hard rock / metal tone coming from the crunch/lead channels of the preamp wich is already high gain, I am not into extreme metal with 7 or 8 strings but I already know those may actually need some different kind of speakers that can better handle the low end. Being that said maybe I need to focus on avoiding speaker breakup so maybe if I pick something around 75-80 watts I can just keep my power amp in a setting that would not go beyond 60 watt for example.

Now I need to decide on wich speaker and the size of the cab. Maybe I can just find about a good 1x12 cab out there and just use the same celestion spekaer and dimensions and just go for it. Not sure, there many cabs out there with celestion Seventy80 with different sizes and open or back, or maybe I should find out how people is upgrading their combos with better celestions like creambacks or so and use their combo's dimensions as a reference for my cab.

 

[IMENATOR]

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So the guy says his cabs are made of plywood wich is pine triplay and mdf. Is that too bad? Would solid pine be a better option?

 

[Gone_Shootin]

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So the guy says his cabs are made of plywood wich is pine triplay and mdf. Is that too bad? Would solid pine be a better option?

I wouldn't want a cab made out of that. Solid pine is what some of the newer and alot of older Fender combo amps were made with, and sounds good, IMHO. But most of the cabs you hear guys talking about and lusting for are made out of Voidless Baltic Birch Plywood or Marine Grade Baltic Birch Ply, and are usually 5/8" (9 ply) or 3/4" (13 ply).

 

[jon the art guy]

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Voidless is the key.

 

[Demanic]

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These guys: http://www.gregsproaudio.com/

 

[IMENATOR]

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These guys: http://www.gregsproaudio.com/

Those 1x12 are made of plywood. Again now not sure again if plywood is a good or bad choise. On the other hand not every known amp brand describes verywell the material of ther extension cabs. Some say MDF, some just nothing. Maybe I just neet to bite the bullet and get one of those plywood ones.

 

[IMENATOR]

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Voidless is the key.

Just like the Egnater Tweaker 112... Maybe a speker upgrade is the way to go, who knows.

But really, does the wood really make a noticible difference or something just for the perfect ear?