Thinking a solo over and then actually playing it... HELP PLS

Re: Thinking a solo over and then actually playing it... HELP PLS

So, I have to think chords instead of single lines?

Chord tones being tones inside the chord, like the 1st, 3rd, and 5th note of a major or minor triad, but then I'm getting into theory things, and thats not something I'm a complete expert on.
 
Re: Thinking a solo over and then actually playing it... HELP PLS

Yup, Corbic's right. Then you get into all the tensions, like ninths and thirteenths and all that crazy stuff...but one step at a time.
 
Re: Thinking a solo over and then actually playing it... HELP PLS

Oh, now I understand...

I know some theory, I took some classes and an exam... I always try to throw in some 9ths and 7ths :)

I also found a Joe Pass video online, great chords!

btw Keith, the DVD I am getting, says is based on examples from that very book you suggested. I have checked the book too. Thanks... :)

Also I have found a nice Olympus recorder. It's cheap and one of the best I believe. The WS300.
 
Re: Thinking a solo over and then actually playing it... HELP PLS

I second the posts on Scat singing and tape recorders.

It always depends if you want to do the same solo everytime.

There is the Jimmy Page 'organic' school and the Eagles 'rehearsed' school.

When constructing a solo. Don't forget to work on your strong-points. If you want to try new things, do them in private and rehearse that lick until you've got it, otherwise you'll embarass yourself.

Oh, and one more thing. There ain't nothing wrong with a Clapton lick. He practiced for years against the recording of some of the greatest blues players that preceded his generation.
 
Re: Thinking a solo over and then actually playing it... HELP PLS

Well rehearsed are pro players. Very few cats indeed can rip a solo in a cohesive way cold/unrehearsed. Most tunes you hear performed have been rehearsed until they become second nature to the players. Some ppl play the same solo verbatim from gig to gig! Thats not improvisation IMHO though.

Other players, while not relying on prepared/rehearsed solos still have a definite outline that they follow. While this type of player won't usually play the same solo from gig to gig, the listener can definately sense that there are similarities with solos heard from the same player on previous occasions.

One's metal is truly tested when the player performs in one of those sit in gigs. You know like Santana and Jeff Beck jamming together in a concert where the tunes are usually neutral to both players style. In that situation everyone has to go for what they know! :laugh2: Now thats real spontaneous improv! George Benson is one of the few cats that can rip a solo cold turkey and make it sound like a composed piece of music the first time! :laugh2: But God will go out of business before George Benson ever puts his guitar down. At any hour, minute, second of any day, 365 days a year accept for leap years, George is playing his ax!
 
Re: Thinking a solo over and then actually playing it... HELP PLS

Osensei, I have never heard of Benson, I will have to look him up...

I am the kind of player who is between the "learning one solo only" and "playing similar stuff". I want to push myself into playing a different solo every time, and it's frustrating that I can scat sing it and not play it. Sometimes I find that I lack guitar speed. Anw...

Phil, I befinately want to try new things. eg, sometimes I want to throw in a fast lick and I am afraid that I will mess up, so I don't. That's another issue (speed).

oh, and When I said Clapton licks I didn't mean it as an inferior lick, I meant that I end up playing standard old licks over and over. :)
 
Re: Thinking a solo over and then actually playing it... HELP PLS

If you're a rocker then Benson might not be your cup of tea. I mention Benson mainly because the man has proven over and over again that he can play anything that comes into his head in an immediate fashion. There is no seperation btw then man and his instrument at all! His playing is soulful and groovy everytime w/o fail. You might not dig his material but if you listen to his solo lines then you can see how he breaks out of the minor pentatonic rut that so many rock players find themselves stuck in. Definately, someone to learn from.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuTZ1dEPuqo&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1ucr8lI9gU&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUoUdDUtPvU&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AzMoV5ubTg&mode=related&search=

Three legends + Brazillian music breaks my heart! It's a whole nother kinda blues man!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWFRu5Qg2_Q

What most cats don't know is that many of these sophisticated jazz lines are transferable to rock! Just listen to Frank and you'll see what I mean!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uiy88z8ch0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBaHYDLQYMI&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDDfpFvpjC4&mode=related&search=

Now for jazzy blues!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH8EbI89xgE&mode=related&search=
 
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Re: Thinking a solo over and then actually playing it... HELP PLS

I like many different kinds. I don't consider myself a pure rocker. I try to play everything.

Thanks for digging in youtube for those examples :). I am watching (and listening) right now... AND learning

Edit: Sometimes jazz players I believe lack the meaning in the solo. Sometimes you can't tell if they are angry or sad or happy. That for me is a disadvantage.
 
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